Merlin - Arthur smells like a man
I Blame the Dutch mpoetess
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Dear Merlin Fandom*:
This, this, this.

Especially as so very very many of you don't actually post fic in comms, you link to the work in your LJ, which means that "View entries on my friends page in my own style" doesn't work, and ?style=mine has to be added manually.

ILU guys but do you realize how awful some of your tiny, tiny cramped journal layouts are for reading fic? Or, for that matter, having any in depth discussions about fic or anything else, when the comments are so over-formatted that by the time you're three comments down a thread,

they read

like

thi

s
?

Just saying.

love,
MP

PS: Those of you who also link to AO3 are FTW and don't make me quite as sadpanda, though still, you might want to keep the comment/discussion thing in mind for LJ and DW.
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*(Or possibly just Dear Fandom, but you can tell where I've been reading mass quantities of fic recently.)

innerbrat

2010-07-12 02:33 pm (UTC) (Link)

My biggest pet peeve is people who append ?style=mine to links.

My journal layout is designed for me to read my friendspage, not for long long essays that other people have written. How is ?format=light or ?style=light (depending on platform) so hard to append instead?

mpoetess

2010-07-12 02:37 pm (UTC) (Link)

That's one that hadn't occurred to me. I append style=mine because for me, "mine" = default LJ style, so it hadn't occurred to me t hat other people wouldn't want to read things in their own style.

But I would hate it if people switched to format=light because I personally hate it. It displays in serif font which is harder for me to read, and also looks like I'm at Journalfen. (The first being an actual accessibility issue, the second just a peeve.)

Edited at 2010-07-12 02:41 pm (UTC)

innerbrat

2010-07-12 02:54 pm (UTC) (Link)

*tries it*

Huh, I never noticed that, as serifs or lack thereof aren't an issue for me, which I guess just throws my own privilege up to be seen. I shall bear it in mind.

I know some people also include lj-toys info and things in their sidebar that means they can monitor traffic using their own journal. Which doesn't help the ugly layout issue.

I'm now looking to see if there are greasmonkey scripts that will change ?style=mine to ?format=light for my own purposes. Did you know this? :
All Journal Pages: Paid and Permanent users can make all journal pages display in their style, including comment pages. To do so, enable the View all journals and communities in my own style option on the Display tab of the My Account Settings page, or click the View in my style link on the Navigation Strip. This option does not add ?style=mine to the URLs of comment pages, so if you want to see a comment page in its original style, you must turn off this option.

mpoetess

2010-07-12 02:59 pm (UTC) (Link)

Yeah, I did know about that one, but I don't actually want to see people's journals in my journal style if I specifically go over to their journal to look at something! And I abhor the navigation strip.

There is a greasemonkey script that will append style=mine to all LJ pages, I think, which is something I could use at home (and am clearly too lazy to have tracked down and installed) but not at work, since I don't want anything connecting me-the-employee to livejournal to be sitting in the settings of my browser.

innerbrat

2010-07-12 03:04 pm (UTC) (Link)

I've found it, and something that'll do ?format=light, but for the life of me I can't figure out if there's a way to change ?style=mine to ?format=light.

I'll just have to remove it manually, I guess. Or use one of these bookmarklets. Otherwise, uh. Stuff.

ladycat777

2010-07-12 03:08 pm (UTC) (Link)

There's a firefox LJ addon that will also force pages into style=mine. I live on that because I personally loathe 90% of people's formats for accessibility reasons, as well. Even the ones that are universally liked as pretty and nice are things I end clicking out of.

Hell, it's one reason I dislike dreamwidth - their 'normal' page is not as clean or easy for me to read as the 'normal' lj page.

I hate with the power of four thousand suns the new trend of grey text on a lighter grey background. I can't read it. It's painful. It's all over dreamwidth and getting rid of it still virtually impossible, in something I like.

Um. Hi. Minor rant?

But yeah, check out lj addons. They have a lot of other cool stuff as well, if you use firefox.

mpoetess

2010-07-12 03:30 pm (UTC) (Link)

I do use firefox, running it from a flash drive so I can have things like LJ-login without leaving tracks on my work computer, but (first world problems) I use it for my RP journals, and keep my regular journal, which I read fic from my friendslist on, logged-in with whatever other browser is available. I'm a little paranoid about installing anything as an add-on or GM script that mentions livejournal.

However this might make me give in and use it, because it can specify and only modify comment pages, not journal pages too. (Aka if I go to a comm and scroll through the entries, I want to look at it in the comm's style so I know at a glance that I'm not on my flist.)

ladycat777

2010-07-12 03:32 pm (UTC) (Link)

Oh, yeah - I use that with journalfen and used it with lj itself before I found the addon. It is awesome and I'm glad you found something that will work!

And hey, paranoia is never a bad thing!

skylar_inari

2010-07-12 02:56 pm (UTC) (Link)

Hahaha, this is the whole reason that my RL journal layout is so simplistic. Most of what I post is fic--I want to make sure people can read it!

I mean, I know people like pretty layouts but... you can have pretty and readable. ^^;

mpoetess

2010-07-12 03:05 pm (UTC) (Link)

Word! I'm not even wailing "Turn off custom comment pages" because last time I looked I'm sadly not the queen of the universe - but man, people, at least pick a layout and colors that don't make your fic unreadable. (Some of the people in Merlin fandom are...very young, which may explain a bit of it. Their 17 year old eyes may have no problem with miles of white 9 point text on black background, but my myopic-since-first-grade 37 year old ones...)

give_areason

2010-07-12 03:13 pm (UTC) (Link)

It might just be the fandom? There's a lot of young writers in the Naruto fandom (the joys of playing in a sandbox mostly marketed towards young teenage boys, la) but I haven't come across that many really awful layouts.

But seriously, I totally agree here. My eyes have never been able to deal with the eye-searing layouts: it's an immediate backbutton for me. I don't care how good your fic might be. If I've got to fuss around with my settings to read it, I don't want to read it that bad.

(This is why I love FF.net. It's got plenty of problems, massive amounts of badfic and you can spend hours digging before you find anything good: but it's all in the same basic layout that is very very readable. Also, I've been on FF.net for... eleven years. So, yeah. Used to it.)

julia_here

2010-07-12 06:10 pm (UTC) (Link)

FF.net and a lot of archives modeled on it are nearly unreadble for me; they mostly have margins which are too narrow for me to consistently scan from line-to-line, and the line spacing is way too jammed up even when embiggened. It doesn't help that at least 60% of the fics I get linked to there turn out to be... less than enjoyable reads, shall we say?... even after I futz around with controls to make it more readable.

give_areason

2010-07-12 07:07 pm (UTC) (Link)

^^; FF.net isn't perfect, I know. I'm sorry you've had so much troubles with it though!

flaming_muse

2010-07-12 03:07 pm (UTC) (Link)

I swear, the journals I go to to try to read fic in the Merlin fandom are the worst. I have never in my life seen so many wee narrow windows of actual text - in unreadable colors like brown on a tan background - and comments squeezed into tiny spaces like layout-corsets are all the style this year. It is so frustrating.

It is among the reasons my LJ is so plain plain plain. I am afraid of doing something that I think is innocuous (or, god forbid, pretty) and making it unreadable for someone else.

mpoetess

2010-07-12 03:11 pm (UTC) (Link)

....layout corsets.

I will never be able to stop thinking of it now.

Anonymous

2010-07-12 03:31 pm (UTC) (Link)

3泊東京にいて、両親にあって、それからハワイに行く?

mpoetess

2010-07-12 03:40 pm (UTC) (Link)

I'm trying to decide whether this is

"Being in 3 Tomari Tokyo, there being parents, then it goes to Hawaii" (bad Japanese translation)

or

"3 anchor Tokyo に い て, 両 to kiss に あ っ て, そ れ か ら ハ ワ イ に the line く" (really bad Chinese translation)

Anonymous

2010-07-12 03:31 pm (UTC) (Link)

5泊。

A flock of grouse

julia_here

2010-07-12 06:05 pm (UTC) (Link)

There's an LJ layout with wide swathes of saturated bright blue which makes me feel as if I've just been hit in the eyes with a brick.

There's weird backgrounds which trigger migraines/visual dropout by means of weird color contrasts, strong patterns, or scrolling characteristics. Notably, there was one SGA Big Band with a Pop Art background which had me puking within about two page downs.

There's 50-character wide formats which make my scroll-button hand cramp up after about 250 words.

There's teeny tiny light fonts where I have to hit command + three times.

And there's single enn margins in jammed up draft layouts which make scanning from line to line pretty much impossible.

God, I love AO3. It's a reader's archive!

Julia, damned cranky about all this stuff. And reading very little fic anymore because I have too much toil in my life without extra coding.

Edited at 2010-07-12 06:11 pm (UTC)