Francine - harvest
I Blame the Dutch mpoetess
Previous Entry Share Next Entry
Huh - Spike, Dru, Sex, Petriecakes


Hijacking a [ahem, friends-protected, just realized] topic from a fellow writer's journal, in order not to hijack her actual journal:

The notion that Spike and Dru's post-slayer fiery city yummyagainsthewall sex was Spike's *first* sex with Dru? Is difficult for me to conceive of, despite Doug Petrie apparently making the statement that such was his thought/intent.

Thing one is, 20 years with Dru, and no sex? Given their chemistry, the mind boggles, but that's the easiest one to overcome, if one accepts that Spike is most definitely her bitch, and if she says no, (insert Spuffy comparison here) it damn well means no.

Thing two is, if not, why not?

If it was because he hadn't done enough to impress her until he killed a Slayer, it seems fairly odd. Angelus, after all, never killed a Slayer, and she was impressed enough with him. Okay, he was Daddy - I get that. But Spike sure as hell seemed to be doing his best to rival him in viciousness - I can see her not thinking him as *good* as Daddy, but not thinking him good enough for her at all, doesn't seem to mesh with what we saw. Spike was of her own choosing, nor does she seem disappointed with him in the mineshaft FFL scene, which was the same year as his turning.

If it was because she belonged exclusively to Angelus until 1900... well... Angelus *suggested* she make herself a playmate, because she was lonely, bored, wanted somebody to hurt her, and his mind was all full of Darla. Why exactly would he rapidly change his mind on that subject? Also, in the mineshaft scene, we got Dru saying (well, singing) "I think our boys are going to fight" to Darla. -- [Ah, no, Darla said it to Dru. Same point, though, really: *Darla* considered the men to belong either respectively or communally to the two of them.]

Thing three is, if not Dru, then who? I find it beyond belief that Spike was celibate for the 20 years between being turned in 1880 and his onscreen sex with Dru in 1900. I suppose he could've had random encounters with anyone - victims, other vamps, etc -- but that paints a fairly odd picture of their devoted relationship, if he's allowed to shag anybody but her. And if he was being shagged by Angelus.... then the logic (the one I can't fathom anyway) of Angelus keeping him away from Dru seems bizarre -- he's good enough for you to shag, and she's good enough for you to shag, but they can't shag each other? I could almost buy that it was a D/s thing, the more fun to torture them both, but.... Angelus didn't really seem like he had the *time* to be caring about such -- see above re obssessed with Darla phase.

And of course in figuring out the *writer's* logic, I'm not buying for a minute that *his* solution to who Spike was shagging for the first 20 years of his unlife, was Angelus.

Thoughts? People who do buy that the China scene was Spike and Dru's first sex, what do you guys think he was doing for the previous 20 years? Lo, entertain me with your ideas.


pandarus

2002-11-07 03:14 pm (UTC) (Link)

YMMV. I was astounded when Herself first posited the theory that China was their first shag, but I don't think this goes explicitly against canon, and I have to admit that I've come to rather like the notion. It's rather sweet. In the fifth of the Bittersweets sequence she outlined her take on Spike's background thus:
She knew he kept the stocking to mark Drusilla’s erotic thrall over him, though it was severed now, and the cracked doll head as a remembrance of her madness. That the trophy of the Chinese Slayer commemorated not just his triumph over her but his attainment at last of Dru, after twenty frustrating years of being kept from her by Angelus. He explained how for two decades all his Grand-Sire had permitted him to do was mind her, clean up her various messes, keep her out of Darla’s hair. How he’d not been allowed to bed Dru—but was often there in bed while Angelus had her. Had them both, turn and turn about. Made to watch while he damn near turned Dru inside out . . . made to hold her down while Angelus gave her to strangers he’d met in the streets, men he’d eviscerate after they’d spent all the spunk that was in them . . . made to go down on her until his face ached and she’d fainted away and allowed no release until Angelus fucked him on his knees. He told it all not to hurt her, but because she’d seen those postcards, and was ready, at last, to hear all the truth. She seemed to listen with her eyes, which were huge, and which she kept bravely fixed on his as he told the story

mpoetess

2002-11-07 03:22 pm (UTC) (Link)

That's actually one of the two Bittersweets stories I've read so far (the other being Littler Bit) -- and yeah -- I can buy that interpretation, in fic. Find it theoretically easy to buy, because I'm always willing to go with the answer that includes S/Aus sex.

I do find it hard to believe such was the canonical intent, though -- for me, that's a suspension of disbelief I'm happy to make because I'm much more pleased by the Big (un)Happy Family theory of how the beds were shared, than the Obssessed With Darla and somewhat dismissive of Dru retconnish vine I got from Darla

mpoetess

2002-11-07 03:23 pm (UTC) (Link)

Sigh. vibe. not vine.