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Officially Marking It Somewhere
Since I'm not about to bitch about it on the list.


Sometimes BBF drives me *fucking* nuts.

And there's a difference between "I'm not sure how to write this anymore" and "the love is gone."

And I'm not sure if anybody noticed this, but pre Anna reccing S/X pieces (and thus apparently making it ok, and god Anna I love you and I love your work but if people don't stop deciding that slash/[S/X] is cool now because *you* like it, I'm going to scream and stomp and scream some more, 'kay? And then suck my thumb) on the list? You know how often they were recced?

This is *not* a popular pairing when it comes to being recced in cross-fandom arenas. Just because y'all are annoyed with the proliferation of it in the last couple of *months* -- which happened because a well-respected bifictional writer started recommending it and so the rest of us felt we could maybe come out of the closet on a list that has previously *not* been welcoming to slash (you think you have, but you haven't) -- does *not* make it the flood-the-airwaves pairing that you actually have to call a "Non-S/X recs day" for. Get a fucking grip.

Hi. I may be a bit cranky.


2002-12-12 09:19 am (UTC) (Link)

*chuckle* I enjoy reading through the TWOP Buffy fic boards for recs, but I've never posted there, in large part because I'm afraid that my first reaction would be, "Hi, y'all seem like nice people, and some of these recs have made my day, but are you aware that there exists fic not about Spuffy?"

Honestly, though, I thought S/X was a fairly well-established slash pairing from at least S4 forward, especially if you count S/X/A in there. Since I started watching the show in S4 and reading fic during the summer before S5, well... I'm still a little baffled that the appeal of S/X is supposed to be a novelty. Not that S7 hasn't added to its plausibility. ;)


2002-12-12 10:14 am (UTC) (Link)


It is a very well established slash pairing, but among the folk who aren't primarily slash fans, it doesn't have a lot of popularity relative to other slash pairings. I.e., if you were to poll people who say "Slash isn't my major thing, but I don't mind reading a good story," S/X would not usually come up as the pairing they're likely to read. Mostly because the bulk of S/X fiction has a reputation of containing fanon that ranges from annoying to nauseating. It's a deserved reputation.

In slashdom, it's very popular if you mean "has a lot of people writing it and reading it" -- but those tend to be people who *only* like/write S/X. Again, go out to the "read all kinds of slash" people, and S/X is the pariah pairing, because of the huge library of utter crap that's been produced in it. It's the pairing for people who don't care about canon or characterization or even the use of a spellcheck. It's the pairing where evil-bitch-buffy reigns supreme (or did -- that seems to be dying down a bit now), sexually abused Xander is tenderly cared for by a Spike who's aghast that people could do such horrible things, and righteously indignant with the Scoobies for never noticing and abandoning Xande rto his fate... I could go on.

There *is* good stuff being written -- maybe even a larger percentage of it now. But it has a generally bad rep, and for the swingaround to come this quickly, from "Oh, *that* pairing" to "Hey, Anna likes it, let's check it out!" to "God, you people talk about nothing else, I'm so sick of the uber-popular S/X bandwagon" is....mystifying. And grating. It implies that these stories have been recced to high heaven and we should shut the hell up about them, when in fact, they haven't.

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2002-12-12 11:31 am (UTC) (Link)


I (and I would, of course) think there's a there there if one looks for it, but I also think a shitload of S/X shippy writers haven't looked for it, and aren't presenting it. Or there's a there that can be created, I suppose. I wouldn't presume to expect people who honestly just aren't turned on by the pairing to expend the effort to do so, though. Why should they?

I'm sure there *are* people who don't read it simply because it doesn't interest them, it doesn't turn them on, it doesn't intrigue them, it doesn't seem to have any canonical tension or conflicts to explore -- everything you've said. And every pairing (and theme and style, etc) has a library of crap to its name. But I think in btvs slash, X/S does have a greater reputation for said library. Spuffy probably has a similar rep in the purely het sphere -- but I think (and admittedly TWOP is most of my experience with Spuffy fans/recs/fic) that it's mitigated somewhat by a much more well known selection of very good fic.

I think I've actually stopped complaining and am just trying to analyze now. This is always dangerous.


2002-12-12 12:05 pm (UTC) (Link)

Since I started watching the show in S4 and reading fic during the summer before S5, well... I'm still a little baffled that the appeal of S/X is supposed to be a novelty.

That's pretty much when I started too -- but then, summer after season 4 was the heydey of S/X fic. There'd been the domestic situation during S4, Xander and Anya weren't as 'Whoa, damn, we have a Relationship' as they later became, Spike was ship-free... A lot of readers -- and viewers - have poured in since then, though,who cut their teeth on Spike's obssession with Buffy in S5 and/or actual relationship in S6, plus the incredibly antagonistic (not in a sexy way) relationship between Xander and Spike in S6.The pairing probably seems farfetched at best to many of those folks.