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Officially Marking It Somewhere
Since I'm not about to bitch about it on the list.

Arrrrrrrrrrrgh!

Sometimes BBF drives me *fucking* nuts.

And there's a difference between "I'm not sure how to write this anymore" and "the love is gone."

And I'm not sure if anybody noticed this, but pre Anna reccing S/X pieces (and thus apparently making it ok, and god Anna I love you and I love your work but if people don't stop deciding that slash/[S/X] is cool now because *you* like it, I'm going to scream and stomp and scream some more, 'kay? And then suck my thumb) on the list? You know how often they were recced?

This is *not* a popular pairing when it comes to being recced in cross-fandom arenas. Just because y'all are annoyed with the proliferation of it in the last couple of *months* -- which happened because a well-respected bifictional writer started recommending it and so the rest of us felt we could maybe come out of the closet on a list that has previously *not* been welcoming to slash (you think you have, but you haven't) -- does *not* make it the flood-the-airwaves pairing that you actually have to call a "Non-S/X recs day" for. Get a fucking grip.

Hi. I may be a bit cranky.

roseveare

2002-12-12 06:50 pm (UTC) (Link)

Okay. *deep breath*. Came across discussion on ladycat777's LJ where you actually mention some of the above and the fact that the non-Spike (and it was non-Spike, I don't recall discussion of excluding X/S specifically, joking or otherwise) was part-jest and I consequently figured the comment I read and took as an attack probably wasn't meant that way. Realised how long ago this post and most of the discussion had taken place (being in the UK messes me up with the times). Felt basically a bit of a prat and was afraid I came on a bit strong in the previous comment.

In any case, the thread was posted as non-Spuffy and X/S recs in a specific attempt to start a non-Spuffy and X/S thread of recs to run parallel to the discussion of those ships (it didn't work). That was why the 'non' heading. It wasn't meant to offend or attempt to exclude those pairings.

Having read a bit more around related discussion - though I'm not sure how much of this is in reference to that thread or the other one onlist that I'll admit I largely tuned out of several posts back - I wanted to add that it never occurred to me that the slash vs het would be an issue. I read any/all and I often forget, since I don't actually write slash myself (probably should add here a tentative 'yet'), that there is still any prejudice about slash as a genre. Similarly, I've never felt BBF had a problem regarding slash, but then I would not be someone likely to notice a subtle problem for the same reasons above. It never occurred to me that voicing anything that could be construed anti-X/S could come across as anti-slash.

I'm still not quite clear on the BBF as anti-slash idea, though. I don't believe I apologised for reccing Fred/Lilah. Or for Buffy/Faith, last week.

But I hope this clears some things up.

mpoetess

2002-12-13 12:59 pm (UTC) (Link)

To the anti-slash thing--

You stumped me with that last, because you're right, and it hadn't occurred to me. People don't tend to add the 'it's slash but' disclaimers to femslash.

I'm tempted to be a huge geek and look at what the actual stats are -- slash stories recced, number of those that contain some kind of apologia for it being slash, number of those that are m/m slash vs. f/f, number of the non-apologetic ones that are from people who primarily *write* slash... And the other set of stats -- how many S/X recs have really been made in the last month or so, vs Spuffy, vs other types. Because it may be that my perceptions are vastly off, and I'm seeing through the lens of "There can never be enough of what *I* like." Or maybe they aren't, and folk who think there's a huge proportion are seeing through the same lens. Or something in the middle.

But that would make me far more obssessed and geeky than I like to admit to being. ;-)

roseveare

2002-12-13 03:54 pm (UTC) (Link)

In all honesty? I'd be really interested to see the stats, too. I will freely admit to being obsessed and geeky enough to do it without shame. But unfortunately I am also far too lazy...

But I did have a brief glance. I think the X/S has come in bursts, a handful of enthusiastic discussions with droughts in between. Less than I'd have thought, but still probably second to Spuffy, recently at any rate, and the Spuffy is a constant tirade. But in retrospect I think I should've written 'non-Spike recs' had I done this research beforehand... The list is predominantly Spike/everything but the kitchen sink. And it's infuriating at times - even the Buffy/Faith, Wes/Faith thread mutated into Spike/Faith, for cryin' out loud, which was just cruel.

It has to be said, it's a hard, harsh world if you don't like Spike... :)

(Actually, I don't dislike the character, the current season even has me intrigued about him - I'm just severely lukewarm on him, don't understand the fuss, and I'd rather read other things. But that's beside the point.)

I remember clearly that the list used to be apologetic about slash recs in the way you describe. More recently, that has turned around a lot, I would say, but maybe it retains the stigma of its past reputation.