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Officially Marking It Somewhere
Since I'm not about to bitch about it on the list.

Arrrrrrrrrrrgh!

Sometimes BBF drives me *fucking* nuts.

And there's a difference between "I'm not sure how to write this anymore" and "the love is gone."

And I'm not sure if anybody noticed this, but pre Anna reccing S/X pieces (and thus apparently making it ok, and god Anna I love you and I love your work but if people don't stop deciding that slash/[S/X] is cool now because *you* like it, I'm going to scream and stomp and scream some more, 'kay? And then suck my thumb) on the list? You know how often they were recced?

This is *not* a popular pairing when it comes to being recced in cross-fandom arenas. Just because y'all are annoyed with the proliferation of it in the last couple of *months* -- which happened because a well-respected bifictional writer started recommending it and so the rest of us felt we could maybe come out of the closet on a list that has previously *not* been welcoming to slash (you think you have, but you haven't) -- does *not* make it the flood-the-airwaves pairing that you actually have to call a "Non-S/X recs day" for. Get a fucking grip.

Hi. I may be a bit cranky.

mpoetess

2002-12-13 12:50 pm (UTC) (Link)

:)

The post wasn't a character or a 'ship bash, and it wasn't a complaint. It was in part a joke,

I got that there was humorous intent to the post (and the following ones), but was feeling touchy already because of the [unrelated] discussion wherein one poster assumed she knew my reasons for writing/not-writing my WIP. And the resulting digression into "Well OBVIOUSLY the solution is to not write WIPs." Um, yeah -- but that's as helpful as a handful of oatmeal, when said WIP is the first/second thing you ever wrote in the fandom, back when you didn't know any better.

So [looks around for point] the humorous intent seemed more snide than it was, on rereading, being in a less obnoxious mood.

That said, from the POV of someone who does like [one of -- I'm anything but a Spuffy fan] those 'ships, a post that's headed with "Some NOT [Your Ship] Recs" seemed like a dig, more than just an attempt to provide an alternate thread of conversation -- because the only words in the Subject Line that pertained to type-of-story were "Spuffy" and "S/X." The first people that's going to catch the eye of are not Lilah fans or Doyle/Wes shippers or Buffy/Faith shippers or genfic fans -- because none of those is mentioned in the subject line. It's going to catch the eye of Spuffy fans and S/X fans.

Those people who normally scan through and delete anything with those two phrases...Well, realistically, they're going to notice the "not" and be interested and open it -- but I submit that they're not going to be the first people to do so, because the S/X and Spuffy fans will be opening it going "So what does she have against our preferences that she needs to label whatever she's reccing as specifically not that?"

I get that nothing like that was your intention; that was just my immediate reaction to it, which when coupled with the resulting discussion, amde me feel like people were saying "Oh, you people are the big popular group -- you can take the potshots. What's the big deal?"

And I can't speak for Spuffy fans, but having not *been* a part of the big popular group for very long, because it's big, but outside of its membership it really hasn't been that popular, and inside of its membership are a lot of people who like the ship but can't write to save their lives... My rant was basically a "No, we're not some huge invading army, and yes, I'm happy that people are reccing stuff I like to read -- finally -- but that makes the 'please, no more' posts seem *more* like pissing on the picnic, not less."

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roseveare

2002-12-13 05:19 pm (UTC) (Link)

I've been trying hard to repress much of what I saw of the guilt/WIP thread.

If I'm being honest, then yes, I'll admit the list post probably had some element of a guilty 'this isn't a Spuffy or X/S list and it gets annoying when it's being treated like it is' snipe in there alongside the jokiness. Because there were times the last few days when I've wanted to rant about BBF, too. And so when my brain started along the tracks of 'wouldn't it be kinda funny to...' a short while after, the idea inevitably had those thoughts behind it too, even if they weren't the main ones.

Plus, it was 2am and I was in a tired, silly mood. I really didn't want to character bash - I hate character bashing - I tried to be careful with what I said in the post so it wouldn't offend and, well, screwed that one up. I don't have a good track record with these things, unfortunately. I still however think that when there've been over a dozen X/S related posts in the last few hours, labelling a post as Non-X/S in jest isn't so terrible a thing to do.

I blame Yahoo, actually. Yes. They are responsible for most of the world's evils...

I didn't at any point request people stop posting Spuffy and X/S recs nor feel I had any right to. I didn't say 'please, no more' or anticipate the responses that did. The non-Spike day was one-hundred-percent a joke. It's too close to character bashing to seriously say you're excluding a character for the day. The UC/rare idea was different and acceptable to my mind because under ordinary circumstances people do still send normal posts to BBF on their theme days if they want to, so that wasn't a move to exclude or squash current popular pairings and current discussion but genuinely to give attention to stuff that might usually not receive it.

"Oh, you people are the big popular group -- you can take the potshots. What's the big deal?"

I can't deny I've thought exactly this. I suppose it depends on where you're standing. Most of the things discussed about the relatively new exposure of X/S in the last day or so I was unaware of when I made the post. I've been aware for a while that it was popular and plentiful, and that is all.


mpoetess

2002-12-13 05:59 pm (UTC) (Link)

The UC/rare idea was different and acceptable to my mind because under ordinary circumstances people do still send normal posts to BBF on their theme days if they want to, so that wasn't a move to exclude or squash current popular pairings and current discussion but genuinely to give attention to stuff that might usually not receive it.

And fwiw -- and I think I probably gave the opposite impression when I got all ranty -- I'm all for a "Best stories you're not reading" or "underrepresented genres/pairings/authors" day. I think it's a great idea. And given the prevalence of S/X recs recently, I'd certainly agree that it's *not* underrepresented. :)