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Buffy thought -- re The Killer In Me



Am I nuts in thinking the title (and indeed plot points) in this ep refer to or at least echo lines from the Dingoes/4-Star Mary song Pain? (Loaded up my gun/ there's a killer in me...)

I was rather hoping (from knowing the title and some of the subject matter in advance) that the Continuity Fairy might bless us with a reference to Oz in the Willow/Kennedy conversation in the Bronze. They did talk about romantic history after all, and it wouldn't have been out of plotline for Willow to say "I had a boyfriend before Tara, and I cared for him, but she opened my eyes to something much bigger, yadda yadda." And/or the song itself playing in the Bronze, with no more scripty acknowledgement than a smile or a wry look from Willow.

Not really complaining that it wasn't there -- I have far too many legitimate gripes with this ep to be so ridiculous as that. Just saying, would've been cool, and it seems like they missed out on something. Or thought of doing it and decided not to, mayhap.

musesfool

2003-02-06 02:07 pm (UTC) (Link)

Heh. I didn't even think of Four Star Mary. I immediately jumped to Smashing Pumpkins "Disarm:" "the killer in me is the killer in you."

It *would* have been nice to get an Oz shout-out.

mpoetess

2003-02-06 02:21 pm (UTC) (Link)

Which shows you how musically sheltered I am. I was going to be all fannish and say that my mind went to the Buffy-related reference first, but the truth is that I haven't heard the SP song. Most of my pop/rock/indie listening happens on or near Buffy -- otherwise I'm a country/folk/showtunes gal. With utterly random "heard it on the radio on the way into work" exceptions.

surfal666

2003-02-06 05:13 pm (UTC) (Link)

i think that continuity-wise Oz is considered a "Bad Boyfriend" at least in the same sense as Angel is/was. There's the whole violently jealous thing, and the uncontrollable killer three nights a month thing.

Besides, has -anyone- spoken his name since season 4?

wordsmithslash

2003-02-06 06:30 pm (UTC) (Link)

~~~Besides, has -anyone- spoken his name since season 4? ~~~

Xander has and just last episode. I think Veruca was the only one he killed, and it was in defense of Willow. I actually think this complete memory blank is just part of the male-bashing that has seeped in more and more since season five. I didn't like Oz right after 'Fool for Love' but I'm feeling Oz-friendly. I was expecting Willow to point out that she loved Oz and Tara - that she was more concerned with who they were - inside - than what gender they were. I was actually in a pretty Amy-friendly space until I realized it wasn't the first it was really Amy. I know she's probably experienceing some sort of rat-trama but the whole 'poor me - everybody alwasy like Willow best' thing is annoying.

WS

mpoetess

2003-02-07 05:57 am (UTC) (Link)

Oh, don't get me started on Amy. Her vilification (literal -- turning her into a mustache-twirling villain instead of just someone who has a problem with realizing the morality of her power -- you know, what Willow was until the anvils started falling?) is ridiculous. Her reasons for being jealous of Willow are even more ridiculous. Um? Everything came easy for Willow? Yeah, says the hereditary witch who was doing love spells and convincing her teachers she'd handed in papers while Willow still hadn't mastered pencil-floating. What the fuck? I could buy rat-annoyance, even though Amy turned *herself* into a rat, so it's hardly Willow's fault if it took her three years to develop sufficent powers to break somebody else's spell -- except that's not what Amy claims! The jealousy angle is ludicrous.

mpoetess

2003-02-07 05:48 am (UTC) (Link)

Actually, yes. Oz has been spoken of -- favorably -- both in S5 and this season. Xander said his name all of two eps ago, saying to Dawn that he could fit Oz in his shaving kit, but Oz still had the werewolf mojo going for him as a fighter of evil. (In comparison to powerless Xander and Dawn.) Xander's mentioned Oz in S5 as well, when they were talking about building a robot girlfriend and none of the girls seemed to understand Xander's sympathy with Warren. Xander says "I miss Oz. Oz would get it. He wouldn't say anything, but he'd get it."

I can see why ME wouldn't want to confuse the relationshps issue any more with Willow, though personally I think mentioning Oz while discussing Willow's sexuality could only make a muddy, much-contested situation *clearer* -- but given the way Willow and Oz parted (not over his werewolfness, but over the fact that she had fallen in love with Tara while he was gone, and they hug, imply that they'll still care about each other forever, yaddayadda) I've never got the impression he was in the Bad Boyfriend category.

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mpoetess

2003-02-07 05:52 am (UTC) (Link)

Yeah - my problem is, it *still* hasn't been established that "Hey, in love with Tara now" doesn't mean "Hey, gay now!" -- Willow/Kennedy only muddies that water even more. Willow's been saying "But I don't like boys now" shit since S5, with the biggest instance being in "Him" with the "I'll have to turn him into a girl" and "I can work around it" (jock-boy's unhelpful penis). Saying that it was a woman, vs. women, that made her realize, gives a nod to the "It was more about love for Tara than sole atrraction to females" logic, but it doesn't counter all the 'gay now' stuff. Not when it's surrounded by an ep full of assumptions, including Willow setting off Kennedy's gaydar, and the great one of "Hey, they're both gay! They *must* be attracted to each other!"

Um. Shutting up now.

wordsmithslash

2003-02-07 03:49 pm (UTC) (Link)

When April first showed up looking for Warren and Willow and Xander shared a joint-oogling moment I didn't take it that she was 'gay, now' but more that she was becoming more comfortable with herself and more relaxed with Xander (as a representation of family/friends) she was coming out of her shell {not coming out in the gay sense) blossoming from 'book-study girl' into a confident woman - it was sweet.

But this season... the writers have put so many cutting remarks (that aside to Xander about how she was over him when he mention the love poems) and the points you mentioned in the jacket episode ... I don't know I would respond better to a character who was deeply emotionally wounded and didn't feel ready to start any new relationships after losing her... more than girlfriend, they had them most committed/stable relationship on the show to date - they were the adults, than I do to this revamping of Willow into the 'token' lesbian. I get the feeling that 3 yrs ago when Tara and Willow got involved the writers didn't seem so conscious labels and now they're working really hard to be PC. Or they are thinking spin off or moving Willow to Angel when Buffy folds.