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Weeble? Buffy - "Lies My Parents Told Me"




Stuff:

Anya's hat! Quick, someone get that thing off her head. Can't you see it's eating her brain? And a subdued heh on the subject of "Forgiveness is human, blah blah blah" -- though having it be fratboys that she refers to Spike killing was a bit stagey, for a joke with that sort of too little too late punchline.

William's hair: bad, bad, bad. Actually, if I try to look at him as post-turning Spike? It's kind of hot. But as William? Please shoot the wig dept. Plus his hair is somehow darker now?

Also, his voice is lower, he's less nervous, and he has stubble. William? Would never have stubble. It's hot, I just... Oh, I said that already. I can actually buy that he would be less nervous and sissified around his mother, than out in public -- but it still came off as too much Spike.

Nice to see Dru back being Dru. I can't really say whether she's more "real Dru" than the First was, whether Juliet Landau was off form as First!Dru or it was done on purpose. All I can say is that I liked Dru as seen here. And how hot was baby!Spike getting it on with Dru in his mum's parlor? Wibble.

Spike's mum is great (oh, and Cecily finally has a last name: Underwood. Pah; I was holding out for Fairfax) and I think the storyline and what Spike needed to learn from it worked out for me exactly as it was supposed to. Ricean friends are undoubtedly going to have things to say about the Vampire Lestat parallels; I've read the book, but not in obssessive fannish detail -- my opinion is that of girl on the street, I guess. I see the lift/parallel, but I think it was used to its own purposes here: Stat *did* want to spend forever as his mummy's lover, I think, and she didn't mind the idea, at least for a while. Spike's mum didn't want him around once she changed -- either that, or the part of her that was still *her* pushed him to kill her and free her from what he'd turned her into. Either way, the lesson is different from Lestat's, and supports the conclusion Spike comes to -- that his mother did love him more than anything else. and that a Slayer never will.

I was intrigued by his answer for Wood -- that the Slayer is all about the Mission, and, esentially, Nikki knew what she was getting into, and she's the one who left him an orphan. But here's where we get into my need for a "confuzzled" mood (Yeah, they have it at Journalfen, but I want it heeeeeeere).

So:

Wood had his reasons, which were about as straightforward as possible. Giles' reasons, though (if we're to believe this is Giles and we're not still being played for some sort of "Look, he's not touching anything -- psych!" fool) are allegedly all about... the Mission. Even though I've not been happy with Giles-if-he's-really-Giles so far this season, I can buy his Be a General speech. I can accept that his motivations are pure simply because Giles doesn't have any other potential motivations to want to hurt Spike. So, Spike has to be taken out, for their safety, to save the world.

Buffy? She says she'd let Dawn die, if she had it to do over again. This show hasn't shown me any kind of change in Buffy's worldview that supports such a statement, since the end of Season 5, but, um, ok. The fanwankiest I can get on that subject is that now she knows there's a heaven, so dying isn't the be-all-end-all for humans. Let's go with it, though. Let's say Buffy would let Dawn die. Let's say she understands about being a General. Let's say she's legitimately mad at Wood not because he tried to kill someone she has disturbingly complex feelings for, but simply because they need Spike, and Wood was letting his vendetta be more important than... the Mission.

In that case, why is Buffy mad at Giles? So quietly, bitterly mad at Giles.

Best guesses -- a) he's right in spirit, though wrong in tactics, and she hates him for his part in turning her into someone who could be All About the Mission. b) he's right in spirit, but he undercut her; he didn't let her make the tactical decisions. I could see that as a legit reason to be angry with him, but that doesn't really seem to fit with "I think I've learned everything I need to from you." She's bitter there. c) he's wrong in spirit -- because Buffy has some internal definition of the Mission that we haven't seen her hash out, that basically says "We kill potentially good people only as a last resort, and this isn't one and you should've known that." d) ? Buffy's a hypocrite, as are they all, which we all knew?

Overall, me likee. I'm just confuzzled as to what I was supposed to take away, regarding Buffy's position at the end of the episode, and Giles'.


mpoetess

2003-03-25 07:32 pm (UTC) (Link)

And Anya's in no *position* to need to do the rant, as you say. She's accepted back into the fold; what's she still bitching about Spike for?

I'll have to bow to you on IWTV movie issues, because Ihaven'tseenit. I'm sure you're right -- I can't help but wonder if it wasn't meant to be partly homage/parody, if it's that close, though. Perhaps just a bad execution, as opposed to (imho) the Matrix-like stuff in Primeval.

thebratqueen

2003-03-25 07:44 pm (UTC) (Link)

The Matrix stuff in Primeval I was fine with since bullet-time is an FX technique. Had Buffy been doing all that while wearing a black latex outfit and a trenchcoat, we might have another discussion ;)

(And on a slight sequitor, I can't wait to see the FX the Matrix sequals come up with, not that I'm excited or anything).

WRT homage/parody... seriously tough call. Like when Angel did the body switching episode and had the guy's name (or one of the victim's names, can't remember offhand) be Raglan, I thought that was a nice shout-out to Tale of the Body Thief (Raglan James being the title character), and their way of showing they knew the comparisons would be made.

But here - we've got Spike walking around a la Brad as Louis - and I mean in a way where I could hold screencaps up side by side and show the similarities, while pseudo Eliot Goldenthal music is playing and he's quoting a knock off of Lestat's "What if I could give it back to you?" speech to Louis. All without any signs of a wink-wink to the fourth wall to show they were doing it on a meta level.

They may have intended it as homage/parody but I don't think they stuck the dismount. Again, I wouldn't say the entire concept is a blatant rip-off since there are marked differences between Spike/mom, Lestat/Gabrielle, just that I don't understand why they took what originality they had with the idea and tossed it out the window.

maggie77

2003-03-26 02:13 pm (UTC) (Link)

Wow - you know, this is very interesting. I saw IWTV, but can't remember it well enough to see the parallels. And I never read TVL - Anne Rice just bugs me. So I saw this whole part of the ep totally differently.

I was thinking, "Isn't it interesting that William the Vampire still loves his mother." Angel loved his little sister, but didn't try to turn her once he was turned. He killed her without a second thought, as far as we know. It's been the contention on the show, IMO, that when vamps are made they no longer care about humans. "The demon gets your body but it doesn't get your soul." And I was watching thinking, "Wow - Spike really has been different all his vampire life." From the beginning, apparently, he has had some capacity to love humans. The other vamps we've seen in the Jossverse, that I can remember, don't have this capacity without the benefit of a soul. My friend wondered if this meant that Spike got taken over by a weenie demon! And the fact that he was capable of being so truly hurt by her.

On the Buffy/Giles front - I was appalled by Giles' behavior. I wonder if he isn't a bit jealous on some level. She has replaced him as her adviser with Spike. He is the one closest to her now. I hope it's some sort of subconscious thing like that - 'cause otherwise, damn. Spike fought courageously by their sides for over two years, is unquestioningly attached to Dawn, has a soul, and is the strongest fighter they have besides Buffy herself. Yes, Giles knows that having a soul is no guarantee of good behavior, and that the First has a way to control Spike, but this level of callousness is unsettling. He was ready to talk about sacrificing Dawn in S5, but bowed to Buffy's leadership when she said no. Apparently he is no longer willing to do that. I, too, saw her parting remark to him as bitter and sad. He has betrayed her on a deep level and I don't know if there are enough eps left to get that trust back.

Sorry for such a long post - thanks for your discussion.