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GIP, and Wank
Because I'm incapable of not being wanky while away from my own pc, apparently.

So I say? Buffy and Spike had a tender, humorous, happy that episode we all missed. Buffy admitted she loved him when he wasn't dying and in a way that he actually believed... in that episode we all missed. Angel and Cordelia made narrative and characterizational sense... in that episode we all missed. Dawn and Connor met... in that episode we all missed. Xander said Angel was an attractive man and Spike was compact but well-muscled, and Angel kissed Spike on the forehead, and alternate universe Doyle passed his visions on to Angel instead of Cordy... in that episode we all -- oh. Wait.

Really. Sour. Fucking. Grapes. Why do the "slash in the Buffyverse is too trendy and not believable" people *care* about stories that are being written that they're not interested in reading? Because "their" Spuffy (and other het ship) writers have decided slash is interesting, and aren't providing them with their daily fix of *their* favorite 'ship, perhaps?

No one's coming right out and saying which slash stories actually aren't believable, and you know why? It's not out of politeness -- it's because there's jack-all evidence to back up the wild generalizations that "more then half of those stories have no plot and is purely focused on the fucking" 1 and general widespread statements that the stories are out of character or otherwise badly written. Because almost every "new wave" slash writer is a *good* het writer who happened to decide she's interested in slash.

So? My wanky interpretation, which is still a hell of a lot less offensive than Isabelle's "I think it's because y'all haven't been getting any dick" is: "you" can't admit you're just pissed that your favorite writers aren't writing what *you* want them to write, that your preferences aren't being validated, and no writer anywhere owes you jack-shit.

So you fall back on the "slash is out of character -- except for *well-written* slash, of course" bullshit. But you can't name names because you know you'd be laughed off the stage for saying anniesj's slash sucks -- and the "bad" slash mostly comes from fluffy-duffy "I write for fun and my friends like it so leave me alone" people who were slashers all along, and you've never heard of them, so you can't complain that they're abandoning the Holy Canon Pairings.

My heart bleeds. Sour. Fucking. Grapes. And if you don't want to start [clutches pearls] Another Fandom War, Isa? Don't post offensive bullshit and then act like you're being attacked for your beliefs. You're not being attacked for your beliefs -- you're being attacked for your rudeness, immaturity, and disengenousness.

1 quoth a guest commenter on the "You all need some dick" post.


2003-08-31 02:38 pm (UTC) (Link)

the PURE hetlove of Spike/Buffy

Buffy and Spike, "pure"?? Did they actually *watch* any of the episodes after "Tabula Rasa"?

I'm not a huge slash fan myself--I like a few pairings, but I'm very picky *g*--but I believe in living and letting live. And honestly, any Spuffy fan who gets squicked out by *any* pairing, slash or het, needs to take a serious second look at their own, IMO.

Last time I checked, physical, mental and emotional abuse and near-rape did *not* a healthy, happy, fairytale romance make.


2003-08-31 02:43 pm (UTC) (Link)

Oh God I saw an entry somwhere (and God if I could find it I would link it) where they talked about how "Smut in S/B fic was just ewww, S/B aren't like that blahblah"

I checked, physical, mental and emotional abuse and near-rape did *not* a healthy, happy, fairytale romance make.
Well see that's cause Joss *robbed* them of their true love, they were wronged by Marti OMG. And now you must "ache for their love"

Damn this is like shooting dead fish in a barrel.


2003-08-31 02:46 pm (UTC) (Link)

And FWIW -- I'm not a Spuffy fan, but I'm the same way -- I don't think there's anything sick, twisted, evil, etc - about writing it or liking it. Even the happy-ending Spuffy that was being written while onscreen they were ripping the crap out of each other. There's some excellent writing in the pairing, in all kinds of genres. It just doesn't float my boat. Difference? You don't see me bitching that what doesn't float my boat *sucks* and any Spike/Xander writer who dares write Spuffy is a traitor to the Cause and is solely responsible for SARS, the hearttbreak of psoriasis and the corruption of our nation's precious children.


2003-08-31 02:55 pm (UTC) (Link)

What an excellent post. I love it. It's all rational and make sense-y and stuff. Seriously.


2003-08-31 03:15 pm (UTC) (Link)

Would you please stop stealing credit for my evil? Christ, I go and start all those wars and plagues and these Slashy-come-latelys just grab my big salad with both hands and hand it right over. It's enough to make me go straight.


2003-08-31 03:40 pm (UTC) (Link)

these Slashy-come-latelys just grab my big salad with both hands and hand it right over.

Well, you know, it's gotten trendy and all.


2003-08-31 03:47 pm (UTC) (Link)

Thank you for the post and this comment. No one has to like anything, no one has to read anything. Live and let live and all that and the world would be a much happier place.


2003-08-31 02:58 pm (UTC) (Link)

I love your icon. I wanna steal it.

And I'm a Spuffy fan who does not get squicked by slash. At all. It's just not my cuppa tea, is all. You've made a very good point though.


2003-08-31 03:15 pm (UTC) (Link)

And I'm a Spuffy fan who does not get squicked by slash. At all. It's just not my cuppa tea, is all.

And I have no problem with that. To each her own--personally, I liked Spike/Dru and still miss them. :-)

You've made a very good point though.

Thanks. I hope it didn't sound like I was slamming Spuffy fans in general. It's just the double standard of that attitude that bugs me--"slash is all about the sex, always out of character and sometimes violent, therefore it's icky" coming from a Spuffy fan...strikes me as a little hypocritical.

An attitude like yours--It's just not my cuppa tea, is all.--on the other hand is not. It's an honest opinion that doesn't try to shift the "blame" for your preferences onto the stories or writers themselves. :-)

Nothing wrong with rewriting a 'ship the way you'd like to see it...she just needs to take the plank out of her own eye before she starts pointing out the specks in others'.

And thanks for the compliment on the icon!! If I ever retire it, I'll let you know. :-)


2003-09-03 11:21 am (UTC) (Link)

Okay, retire it soon, pretty please!?!?! It's just lovely. And thanks for replying!


2003-08-31 04:59 pm (UTC) (Link)


Obviously, gay sex is more evil than rape. Yeah. It's obvious now she's told us, via icons. I thought they were all gay. Now I know better.