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GIP, and Wank
Because I'm incapable of not being wanky while away from my own pc, apparently.

So I say? Buffy and Spike had a tender, humorous, happy that episode we all missed. Buffy admitted she loved him when he wasn't dying and in a way that he actually believed... in that episode we all missed. Angel and Cordelia made narrative and characterizational sense... in that episode we all missed. Dawn and Connor met... in that episode we all missed. Xander said Angel was an attractive man and Spike was compact but well-muscled, and Angel kissed Spike on the forehead, and alternate universe Doyle passed his visions on to Angel instead of Cordy... in that episode we all -- oh. Wait.

Really. Sour. Fucking. Grapes. Why do the "slash in the Buffyverse is too trendy and not believable" people *care* about stories that are being written that they're not interested in reading? Because "their" Spuffy (and other het ship) writers have decided slash is interesting, and aren't providing them with their daily fix of *their* favorite 'ship, perhaps?

No one's coming right out and saying which slash stories actually aren't believable, and you know why? It's not out of politeness -- it's because there's jack-all evidence to back up the wild generalizations that "more then half of those stories have no plot and is purely focused on the fucking" 1 and general widespread statements that the stories are out of character or otherwise badly written. Because almost every "new wave" slash writer is a *good* het writer who happened to decide she's interested in slash.

So? My wanky interpretation, which is still a hell of a lot less offensive than Isabelle's "I think it's because y'all haven't been getting any dick" is: "you" can't admit you're just pissed that your favorite writers aren't writing what *you* want them to write, that your preferences aren't being validated, and no writer anywhere owes you jack-shit.

So you fall back on the "slash is out of character -- except for *well-written* slash, of course" bullshit. But you can't name names because you know you'd be laughed off the stage for saying anniesj's slash sucks -- and the "bad" slash mostly comes from fluffy-duffy "I write for fun and my friends like it so leave me alone" people who were slashers all along, and you've never heard of them, so you can't complain that they're abandoning the Holy Canon Pairings.

My heart bleeds. Sour. Fucking. Grapes. And if you don't want to start [clutches pearls] Another Fandom War, Isa? Don't post offensive bullshit and then act like you're being attacked for your beliefs. You're not being attacked for your beliefs -- you're being attacked for your rudeness, immaturity, and disengenousness.

1 quoth a guest commenter on the "You all need some dick" post.


2003-08-31 03:22 pm (UTC) (Link)

Well, I'll be honest-- not a big slash fan here myself. Oh, I like some pairings, especially Spike/Angel, but I'm not the type to go crazy over it. But I've realized that that's just my personal tastes, and I'm sure as hell not going to get all pissed off at other people for writing it. I think it's called the first amendment, yeah?

I definitely don't think it's fair to call all people who don't like slash homophobic (not saying you did, just that within this whole kerfuffle, I've been getting some vibes like that). I think it's fair to claim that the popularity of slash as of late has seemed to surge, and yeah, some people aren't as happy with it as others. I also think it's fair for people to express their dislike of slash, so long as it's done in a diplomatic manner, and not in a "well since I hate slash, nobody should write it EVER and cater to my favorite het ship" way.

I don't know if I'd call this particular chick homophobic, since that's a pretty serious label to put on someone you don't really know. An idiot, yes, but not homophobic. She sounds insanely rabid about Spuffy 4eva, as do some of the commentors. Kind of like the hardcore Ducks, where the idea of any other ships even in fanfic with one of the factors of their beloved pairing is blasphemy.


2003-08-31 03:32 pm (UTC) (Link)

[nod] -- and FWIW -- I didn't call her homophobic. I'm not willing to venture an opinion on that. But I mostly don't think her rant is about "Eww the icky gay sex" -- I think it's about "I'm 12 and my pairing might not be the most popular anymore and you signed in BLOOD when you joined the Spuffy fanclub, you traitorous bitches."


2003-08-31 04:22 pm (UTC) (Link)

Oh, I don't think you made it seem like you thought she was homophobic.

I agree-- and as a former Spuffy fan, and someone who still loves the couple a lot in fanfic, I resent the insinuation by one of those commentors in particular that because I find interest in other couples that somehow makes my interest in the pairing less "true." That's just bullshit and really pisses me off.



2003-08-31 09:34 pm (UTC) (Link)

"I'm 12 and my pairing might not be the most popular anymore and you signed in BLOOD when you joined the Spuffy fanclub, you traitorous bitches."


BWAHAHAHA!!! Can't...stop....laughing....!

HAHA! Sorry. That just amused me a hell of a lot.


2003-08-31 04:29 pm (UTC) (Link)

Well, Isabelle has always been a big S/B and Angel/Cordy shipper, with roses, and violins and romance and fucking awful grammar. She's a real BNF, but I don't think she ever strayed much out of her romantic little corner.
I guess that's why slash was mostly underneath her radar, until now.