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So, I've survived yet another day-trip to visit my mother. And stepfather. Surprisingly, so have they. maeyan is the Bestest BFF ever, just so y'all know; she helps me retain my sanity under the insaneliest of conditions.

There is Better Buffy Slash. Which I appear to have come into possession of. And the joy of trying to figure out what people are and are not supposed to be talking about when recommending and reviewing stories. Ah, slash + fannish critique + controversial story subjects + strong personalities + me having had it up to here with the suggestion that There Is A Line... It's like shooting wank in a barrel.1

I imagine the thing to do in this situation would be... actually post something on the list, as I haven't yet, not even as a member. This will most likely happen tomorrow. When I have not been awake for...

Hmm. Only 13 hours, actually, but they were mom-and-willie hours, which is a bit like overtime. Time-and-a-half. Without holiday pay. Half bearable, a quarter actually enjoyable, and a quarter....

Put it this way -- the words "Mother, that's the drive-through! Yes, really. Oh dear god. I am not bailing you out. [Pause while I hide in the rental car and pretend deeply not to know them. And by deeply I mean how far under the dash I've ducked.] Arrrgh...We are </i>all</i> going to be arrested..." wailed their way out of my mouth at one point, and I was a) serious and b) not having fun. No, I'm not providing more details.

On the other hand I have new shoes2. 2 pair. 28 bucks total. Not bad. And I'm still not dead in a ditch, TBQ!

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1 No, I am not suggesting that any of the individual members are being wanky or impolite; I'm saying, mmmm, all the ingredients for fannish insanity, packed into one tight little space -- just add hot water and away we go. It's like Instant Lunch with kerfuffle noodles instead of ramen.

2 Yes, I know they're supposed to go on your feet. But I'm tired and somewhat crack-addled, so it shiouid be obviuis thast I'mstasnsduingh on mkyu hanjsd in myu nwe shioes asnmsd tyupinmgh wuityhj nmyu feety..

witling

2003-11-22 10:11 pm (UTC) (Link)

Aw, you're going to be the rockingest listmum. And I think you should mandate joke-telling and neck rubs. Everyone has to post a lame joke, once a week. If they don't post a joke, they have to give a neck rub. To a person assigned to them at random, so there's no favouritism or monkey business. Well, no favouritism at least.

You could borrow saussy and _flaming_june_'s Sodomizer, from their slashficathon. And you could use its added spork-and-spindle (with thrilling pulse action) option for anyone who loses sight of the main objectives and gets trolly.

The main objectives being, as I see them, fun, fellowship, and porn.

Congratulations on not killing any family members.

drc1

2003-11-23 05:47 am (UTC) (Link)

fun, fellowship, and porn

Word!!!

Going through my slash fic folder for fics to rec at BBS, I came across some very nice PWPs. Maybe we should have a day/week where everyone gets to rec their favourite PWP/s, not necessarily for the BBS archives but to smooth those kerfuffle waves a bit?:-) Or a round of 'My Favourite Feel-Good Fic" (for stories like that S/X chocolate vignette, remember?).

Listmum, if you read this--what do you say?

witling

2003-11-23 01:12 pm (UTC) (Link)

Oooh, I like your style, drc1. I liiiiiiiike your styyyyyyyyle.

drc1

2003-11-23 03:26 pm (UTC) (Link)

LOL! I love you!!:-))

Yeah, I'm so stylish.;-) I want to have fun with guy/guy fics, and I want to share the fun, all that wonderful emotional, dark, angsty, funny, porny stuff you fabulous writers (have) come up with.

I do think, though, that maybe the moderator should be the one to suggest this on-list. If she thinks it's a good idea, that is.


mpoetess

2003-11-24 09:39 am (UTC) (Link)

Mmmmm, Sodomizer.....

Thank you for your familial felicitations; my family members would like me to, I'm certain, express their continued joy depression at being alive.

kindkit

2003-11-23 12:39 am (UTC) (Link)

Kerfuffle noodles, unfortunately, taste even worse than ramen and are somewhat less nutritious.

mpoetess

2003-11-23 12:43 am (UTC) (Link)

But no MSG!

vylit

2003-11-23 05:22 am (UTC) (Link)

And I'm still not dead in a ditch, TBQ!
Of course you're not. You've been hiding outside her apartment all day. You don't have to pretend. We know. :p

You know you want to tell the rest of the drive through story.

*nudges you*

mpoetess

2003-11-24 09:39 am (UTC) (Link)

You've been hiding outside her apartment all day. You don't have to pretend. We know.

Have not! I set up the camera, then left!

tygerseye

2003-11-23 06:40 am (UTC) (Link)

I wish I could get my toes to do that... ;-)

mpoetess

2003-11-24 09:40 am (UTC) (Link)

That may have been done with hands approximating toes...

tygerseye

2003-11-24 09:46 am (UTC) (Link)

ah well, whatever may have been, I still wish I could get my toes to do that... LOL

drc1

2003-11-23 07:06 am (UTC) (Link)

Thanks for taking over the job as list moderator at BBS.

So, as I was saying to wiseacress in my other comment, maybe we should have a round or two of recommendations for quality fics that are well written but probably wouldn't make into the archives if rec'ed individually. To have some fun and make this list a place again where everybody feels comfortable and happy to be there.

I was thinking of quality PWP, quality pre-slash/UST, quality humour. Something like that.

What do you think? And stories that get seconded and/or thirded could still be eligible for the archive.

Cheers,
drcoulter

mpoetess

2003-11-24 09:49 am (UTC) (Link)

I think a theme week, or a no-pressure week, would be a good idea, after we get at least a couple of weeks of status quo under our belts.

I'm hesitant to specify an event where we rec things that we don't think are quite good enough to make it into the archive, under that label -- because I want to keep people away from bringing up stories purely for the purpose of discussing the fact that they're not good enough.

This is mainly to avoid a long tangent on "This story has this flaw and this flaw and this flaw, yet I still can't stop reading it; I don't know what the addiction is..." and the inevitable me-too's and discussion of why a fic doesn't work for everyone. Which I've seen happen elsewhere, and which tends to drag an author through the critique process even though almost everyone agrees that it's not a "better" fic.

But I think it could be cool if maybe we phrased it as "Every so often we're going to have a No Pressure weekend, where you can rec and discuss anything you like (or maybe anything you like on a certain theme), it won't be considered for the archive so people won't have to defend its goodness or badness to the death, and if it's actually something you'd like to rec for the archive as well, you re-rec it after the weekend is over."

drc1

2003-11-24 12:20 pm (UTC) (Link)

I think a theme week, or a no-pressure week, would be a good idea, after we get at least a couple of weeks of status quo under our belts.

Well, I thought it might be a good idea to do something like this now because of certain 'tensions' but you may be right.:-)

I'm hesitant to specify an event where we rec things that we don't think are quite good enough to make it into the archive, under that label -- because I want to keep people away from bringing up stories purely for the purpose of discussing the fact that they're not good enough.

It's not about quality. The PWPs, for instance, I would recommend are all examples of top quality writing, at least to me. The question is, however, whether certain sub-genres, like PWPs, pre-slash fics, short drabbles, humorous fics/shmoop, are eligible for the archive on a principal basis.

But I think it could be cool if maybe we phrased it as "Every so often we're going to have a No Pressure weekend, where you can rec and discuss anything you like (or maybe anything you like on a certain theme), it won't be considered for the archive so people won't have to defend its goodness or badness to the death, and if it's actually something you'd like to rec for the archive as well, you re-rec it after the weekend is over."

Cool!:-) This could include WIPs, too, like a certain Spike/Xander saga that will probably never be finished and therefore, unfortunately, never have the chance to make it into the archive even though it opened the door to slash for so many readers, including myself.;-)

mpoetess

2003-11-24 12:36 pm (UTC) (Link)

Well, I thought it might be a good idea to do something like this now because of certain 'tensions' but you may be right.:-)


Yeah, I do get where you're coming from, but since we just established a bunch of new rules and such, I'd like people to get used to them before we have an event where we suspend some of the rules.

It's not about quality. The PWPs, for instance, I would recommend are all examples of top quality writing, at least to me. The question is, however, whether certain sub-genres, like PWPs, pre-slash fics, short drabbles, humorous fics/shmoop, are eligible for the archive on a principal basis.

I'd say all of those are normally eligible for the archive, even the pre-slash, since we included something like "fics with slashy overtones" in the list of what can be recommended. Type (length, style, etc) of story isn't a factor in whether it's eligible for the archive, from my POV. If somebody wants to rec a drabble and enough people consider that it's a good/moving/etc enough piece of fiction, I don't have any problem with archiving it at all. Ditto for PWP, etc. The only category that we won't archive is WIPs, I'd say -- so a WIP reccing weekend could be fun! (Not to say we couldn't do a PWP weekend or a drabble weekend, etc -- just that I don't have a problem with reccing those in the course of daily activities either.)

thebratqueen

2003-11-23 08:46 am (UTC) (Link)

I'm very glad that you remain not dead in a ditch. Even if you are the biggest Spuffy fan in existance who is currently sleeping with...

I'll just run away very quickly now, shall I? [scurries]

mpoetess

2003-11-23 10:53 am (UTC) (Link)

Pootyhead.