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Can I just make my predictions now that fandom_scruples is a troll? Will I get a cookie if proven right?

I don't think people are being gullible or naive for wanting to protect themselves, or for being worried about what might happen if fandom_scruples is actually serious about this post. (Though if they are, they don't have a shot in hell of using COPPA to pursue their case, because COPPA specifically targets commercial ventures. ETA Ha! Also, as starbrow points out, what they are citing is not COPPA, the Child Online Privacy Protection Act, but COPA, a "Child Online Protection Act" that does not in fact exist. Which supports either the "troll" or "really, really stupid" theories.) Sigh. Okay, rewind troll vs. stupid theory one more time: There is such a law as the one they cited. It was declared unconstitutional several years ago, and is not in effect. If it *were* in effect, it would still, just like COPPA, only apply to commercial sites. So, SSDL: same shit, different law.

But I think it's a troll, and a rather successful one - look at, one way or another, the amount of attention it's managed to gather.

OTOH, it's HP-centric, and god knows I've seen more flamewars in the Harry Potter fandom this year that I thought just had to be fake because no one could be that. sodding. insane. And they weren't. So. Betting my lunch money on troll, but wouldn't be shocked to the core if I'm wrong.


2004-01-26 02:23 pm (UTC) (Link)

The HP fandom scares me. Its the first time I've ever encountered a fandom that seems to be a reverse bell curve (tiny group of relatively sane people in the middle; huge numbers of fanatical nutjobs). Maybe its just the rabid ones are so much louder.


2004-01-26 05:09 pm (UTC) (Link)

The loud and weird ones are often famous and talented, too, which throws the bell curve off even more, because the nutsoid behavior gets more attention, and even tolerance.


2004-01-26 02:27 pm (UTC) (Link)

Hah. "After a week or so of debate on this topic". B/c you can have debate if you don't even allow comments (even if they were screening them before, at least you could make them).

And I second you on the commericial ventures. If you don't make money off of it, then it's not COPA's jurisdiction (and if you *are* making $$ off of fanfic- you would be a lot better off going through copywrite protection to hurt the sites). Too bad we cannot leave a comment to tell the troll the first and let him/her save face....oh wait, I don't care.

And yeah, the HP fandom is insane. Completely insane.


2004-01-26 03:04 pm (UTC) (Link)

B/c you can have debate if you don't even allow comments

His/her/their personalities were debating, obviously.


2004-01-26 02:27 pm (UTC) (Link)

Yeah, I'm leaning towards "troll" myself. But it's actually (I think) helpful to be reminded once in a while that, though most of the world is probably entirely indifferent, there are people out there who are actively anti-our little hobby.

HP, man. Scare-EEE. And after Buffy and Popfandom, it takes a lot for me to say that in all seriousness.


2004-01-26 02:36 pm (UTC) (Link)

I think that most of the world (if they even know we exist), thinks we are strange and obsessive, but not that they need to lock us away and throw away the key.

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2004-01-26 02:29 pm (UTC) (Link)

Boy, am I ever glad I'm working on a HP fic! This is certainly a sane and enjoyable fandom I'm about to leap into!

*cue the sound of forehead meeting wall*


2004-01-27 01:02 pm (UTC) (Link)

I am very very happy to watch it from afar, having co-written only one HP story, and that in the relatively nonwanky subgenre of Percyslash.


2004-01-26 02:47 pm (UTC) (Link)

Great. Another patriot, looking out for the well being of our children.

God knows -- before the internet existed in it's present form, I had no problem reading dirty stories. If I couldn't find any, I wrote them.

I'm so glad that no adults shielded my innocent eyes, and thereby programmed me not to make decisions for myself.

Okay, so I turned out a total pervert, but, come on... I'm benign.


2004-01-27 01:04 pm (UTC) (Link)

Word. I was reading Sybil (far more graphic, and disturbing, than most fanfic I've ever come across) when I was 8 or 9, and appear to have escaped relatively unscathed from my warped childhood.


2004-01-26 03:11 pm (UTC) (Link)

Can I put my vote down for simply giving Valium to everybody and letting God sort it out?


2004-01-26 03:58 pm (UTC) (Link)

I second that vote!

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2004-01-26 03:49 pm (UTC) (Link)

But... but... it's providing hours of free entertainment!


2004-01-27 01:01 pm (UTC) (Link)

*g* Well, there is that.


2004-01-26 04:18 pm (UTC) (Link)

Pardon my ignorance, but is there a list of the sites they want to change doing whatever? Or are the websites supposed to telepathically realize that they are "doing something wrong"? Also, what do you mean by "troll"?


2004-01-26 04:55 pm (UTC) (Link)

One assumes (or I assume we are meant to assume) that the websites in question would be the personal websites or livejournals of the people on fandom_scruples' "Blacklist" which is posted in the fandom_scruples LJ.

By troll, I mean someone doesn't remotely mean what they're saying, or plan to report anyone anywhere, but instead started the Blacklist and continued to stir up trouble with this current post, purely for the sake of just that -- stirring up trouble. Seeing how many people he/she/they could fool into getting angry and upset and ranting at them, or ranting in their own LJ's. I suspect fandom_scruples is someone in the Harry Potter fandom who thinks this is a fun way to get attention, and/or really dislikes some of the people on that "Blacklist" and hopes that posting their names will garner negative attention for the listees.

(Note that theblacklist is not the "Blacklist" that fandom_scruples runs. theblacklist is a good-natured community set up to a) mock the fandom_scruples Blacklist, and b) allow people to pimp their own (or friends') eeevil porn.)

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2004-01-26 05:10 pm (UTC) (Link)

HP fandom is *sodding* insane.

I wish I knew why the *hell* it was my base fandom for such a long time (livejournal is now my base fandom. nevermind the fact that it's not actually a fandom. it's still my main base for fannish interaction). Cause, you know, it worries me what it says about me that such a fucking lunatic fandom was my base for over a year and a half. Even if it was in a fringe group of mostly sane thirtysomethings.

I'd lay my lunch money on troll but, given how much weirder shit has gone down in that fandom, I wouldn't bet the rent.


2004-01-27 12:42 pm (UTC) (Link)

Exactly -- I'd bet the lunch money, but not the mortgage payment.


2004-01-26 11:48 pm (UTC) (Link)

If troll means it's a jape or joke I think so to. Once I got past the outraged part of the reaction I couldn't help but feel a tad to manipulated. The style of the set up was a touch too juvenile for someone with child. However there was a person one the AllAboutSpike LJ a while back spouting the same rubbish and if it's not a joke my money was on her as the originator.


2004-01-27 12:41 pm (UTC) (Link)

Yes, that's what troll means -- that it's a practical joke, if a mean one.

I heard about the allaboutspike trolly person, I think. Only reason I;d doubt that if serious, it's the same person, is that this one is very closely concentrating on the Harry Potter fandom, and hasn't targeted anyone from Buffy fandom at all. (Except for a few people who write in both fandoms.)