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Note to self: Do not read angst-a-thon fics, DIPSHIT.

astarte99

2004-04-14 06:10 pm (UTC) (Link)

Not in favor of the angst?

mpoetess

2004-04-14 06:48 pm (UTC) (Link)

I'm a fan of angst as long as it's eventually resolved in a happy or even neutral ending, or it's a mood/character piece that may be depressive through and through but only describes one isolated moment. I don't voluntarily read "the world is going to suck forever and ever amen" very often; I don't read non-canon character death ever, if I can help it (unless there's souled vamp/ghost/heaven/reincarnation type stuff involved).

The angst-a-thon fics are a mixed bag in terms of what the requesters and writers considered 'angst' to be, and I need the reminder to stay the hell away unless I've seen a more detailed rec, because duh. Angst-a-thon. Default assumption on my part should be "This is meant to be depressing/disturbing, dipshit. You react badly to such things. Do not click."

doyle_sb4

2004-04-14 06:53 pm (UTC) (Link)

Not that it's necessarily mine, though it definitely fits, ah... oops?

mpoetess

2004-04-14 08:04 pm (UTC) (Link)

Nah - any oopsing is on my head, not the angst-a-thon writers! Hence being annoyed with myself.

doyle_sb4

2004-04-14 08:07 pm (UTC) (Link)

:) I've added a 'no happy endings' warning to mine anyway - don't really want to warn for character death as it spoils the ending, but I don't want anybody to go into it unaware that it's AU, either.

mpoetess

2004-04-14 09:18 pm (UTC) (Link)

I think the 'horror' warning probably covers most of the others without even having to say the part about no happy endings. Andit's a genre label without being a specific spoiler.

[Which gets me thinking about standard bookstore genre labels, and how much we don't use them in fanfic - maybe because we figure the default genre is whatever genre the original source material is in? Like, Firefly stories are all SF, Buffy stories are all in the general horror category, even if it tends to really play more as supernatural adventure than true horror? Or possibly because the writing culture in fandom has sort of drifted towards "There are no genres, it's all fiction, break down all the boundaries." Like, if I walked into a bookstore, in general I would know if the book I was picking out were a mystery, a horror novel, a literary fiction 'real world' setting, etc. Any one of those might have a positive or negative resolution for the characters, but there'd be certain things we'd expect ina horror novel,and not so much in a romancee, for instance. In a lot of fanfic genre is not only not specified, but depending on how long the piece is, it's purposely a surprise. And sometimes that's one of the neater things about a story, so I don't know if using genre labels in general would be a good thing or not.

I'm holding fast to the vain hope that there was a point somewhere in there, but I strongly suspect directionless meta-rambling has just occurred.

doyle_sb4

2004-04-15 06:05 am (UTC) (Link)

Hee, hurray for meta! No, I get what you're saying. I can think of a couple of long fics that are fairly schmoopy, light romances right up until the last chapter, where everybody dies. And they tend to be the ones I've seen the most negative reactions for because it's not what people were expecting and not the story they thought they were reading (whereas I got to that part and went "cool!" since I like my destructive endings *g*)

astarte99

2004-04-14 07:01 pm (UTC) (Link)

Eek, then definitely a lot of the stories that are going to be coming out of this are not going to be to your preference.

I personally think that character death is overused as a way to make a story that was supposed to be angsty really traumatizing - it often seems unsupported. But somewhere along the way I developed a love for "the world is going to suck forever and ever amen" stories, and are more prone to dislike stories where everything gets 'nicely' pulled together into a happy ending. Happy endings just don't generally feel real to me. But that is my neurosis, and one not shared my most of the fandom. *grins*

If I come across one of the angstathon stories that seems less depressing or resolves happily, I will pass the word along.

mpoetess

2004-04-14 08:20 pm (UTC) (Link)

If I come across one of the angstathon stories that seems less depressing or resolves happily, I will pass the word along.


Cool - I'd like that. I don't mind seeing the characters put through the wringer. Don't even mind if they're permanently damaged in some way, or some characters die, as long as there's some sort of balance for it, and it's not the viewpoint character or the other half of a featured pairing who dies. [Basically I can't deal with the 'me' of the story dying or being devastated by the death of a lover -- it's too mentally close when I read.] I *like* happy/hopeful endings, but I don't necessarily mean the sort where all loose ends are tied up and no one is sad or deeply changed -- I just have no ability to deal with hopeless or horrific resolutions.

saturn_girl

2004-04-14 08:16 pm (UTC) (Link)

If I didn't want to read angst-a-thon fics, where would I not read them?

mpoetess

2004-04-14 08:36 pm (UTC) (Link)

I think the master list isn't up yet -- should be up tomorrow on miggy's and _green_'s ljs.

lumenara

2004-04-15 09:55 am (UTC) (Link)

*hugs*

mistressindi

2004-04-17 05:23 am (UTC) (Link)

I know I'm late to my own party, but thanks for liking M&R and pointing people to it!

Was wondering where all that traffic came from...

(Anja.)

mpoetess

2004-04-19 07:18 am (UTC) (Link)

Wow, it took scrolling back in my own LJ to figure out what I had linked to recently... which is not a commentary on the memorableness of the story - just on my approaching senility!

Seriously, M&R had me captive for several hours, straight through from beginning to end. I haven't watched Labyrinth in years, but it brought the characters back to mind with striking clearness. And the theme of Jareth finding out who he really is outside of what everybody expects him to be is just... gah. Wonderful.

mistressindi

2004-04-20 02:21 pm (UTC) (Link)

That is GLOWING praise. Thank you!