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Watching Fool For Love with the commentary for the first time, and I just hit the Spike/Dru making out against the wall in China scene.

You know, the one where Petrie says this is the first time Spike's ever had sex with Dru, and we all say "After 20 years? Are you on crack, Petrie?" (I had a post saying pretty much that a year or so ago when it came up in discussion on someone else's LJ and I went "Er?" but damned if I can find it now ETA - found it.)

Except, er, he doesn't. He says "This is the first time that he, you know, has Drusilla. I think that in their gang, Angelus has all the juice, and Spike just gave himself a promotion."

Which, to me, comes off as Petrie meaning that it's the first time Dru is his, that he has her as in has her full attention, that he's not just a substitute for when Daddy's too busy. (Or, since it's the Boxer rebellion and Angel's been missing for two years, a substitute for when Daddy buggers off to who knows where...)

The line is much more ambiguous than the fannish bibble about it led me to believe. To the point where were I hearing it without that interpretation already in my head, I'd never even consider that he might literally mean "It's the first time they've had sex."

ex_dovil323

2004-05-02 01:45 am (UTC) (Link)

I was really surprised when I heard the commentary for exactly the same reason, because to me it didn't sound like he was saying that they hadn't had sex previously. Especially after watching Destiny because there is no way in hell that Dru and Spike hadn't been shagging before they came in through those hotel doors. Spike looked too happy for one. :)

Or instead of babbling on for a paragraph I could have just said, I agree with you.

mpoetess

2004-05-02 02:03 am (UTC) (Link)

Oh, hell, they're making out on his mum's sofa in Lise My Parents Told Me, a few days after his death, and he's certainly not shy about it.

But I wouldn't blame Petrie for historical scenes written after he made the commentary, if I thought he actually meant the "haven't had sex until 1900" thing. (Or even, as I think Kita offered, hadn't had sex without Angelus' permission until then - which still doesn't really work for me in the 2 years that he's not with them from 1898 to 1900)

But yeah, it doesn't seem to me like that line of Petrie's is meant to mean that at all.

mpoetess

2004-05-02 02:24 am (UTC) (Link)

*cough* Lies My Parents Told Me

doyle_sb4

2004-05-02 06:13 am (UTC) (Link)

I like it with the other spelling. Parents, telling about Lise Meitner, the scientist who discovered the mechanism for nuclear fission *g*

auroramama

2004-05-02 03:48 pm (UTC) (Link)

Like my dad told me -- probably when I was very young, but again years later after he'd created this course on women in science. It's been a big topic of conversation in the last six months, and he bought me that new biography of her.

Um.

Does this mean I may not be the only person whose parents told them Lise?

doyle_sb4

2004-05-02 03:52 pm (UTC) (Link)

Hee! I told my parents Lise after I did a project on her in college... I couldn't believe I'd never heard of her before.

ex_dovil323

2004-05-02 02:25 am (UTC) (Link)

My interpretation was that it was basically a big ol vamp free for all as far as family relations were concerned. I can just see the demon social workers coming to cart poor little Willy away from the den of incestuous iniquity.

I just can't picture vampires, who are basically just pleasure junkies, having qualms about having sex with someone just because of their gender or their standing in the family. Blood or orgasms, doesn't matter where you get them from. And I also can't see Spike and Dru being denied sex with each other for 20 years because they would have just snuck out and shagged anyway, consequences be damned. Darla wouldn't put up with those kind of power games from Angelus for that long and she definitely wore the pants in that family, in my opinion, and I think she'd get bored with the idea. Or at least bored with the whining from Dru and Spike.

So in conclusion: Vampires; Sluts of the Demon World.