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mpoetess *smaps* LJ. For not showing her last entry on her own page, but showing it on her friends' pages. Weirdo.

Anyway. Two things, one mundane, one fannish.

Mundane: Ron gave us his sewing machine! Er, or loaned. Not sure. In our family, it tends to be a shift question, anyway. But it means crafty things can be done. Which Jen will most likely be doing, but I might manage to slip soimething in.

Fannish:

http://www.fandomlife.net/A55840/fln.nsf/all/3A61B398A534C2FA80256B420081FB3A?OpenDocument

(Hoping the link works. Otherwise, it's www.fandomlife.net, and it's the second article down.)

So, he talks about bad writing, and Mary-Sues, which is pretty much the equivalent of saying spreading ebola is bad, then he gets on to slash. Which gets a nice little category of its own. Slash is apparently more of a writerly sin than the equivalent het smut or romance, for reasons I'm not sure he goes into.

And the thing that *really* pisses me off?

Not that, as Mod says, he doesn't really say what's so wrong with slash (or smut), other than that we need to get lives, because apparently writing about the characters' love lives is more pathetic than developing new adventures in exactly the same style as the original text. (Which is generally known as a missing episode project -- cool, but hardly some central pillar of fanfiction.)

Nor is what bugs me the fact that he doesn't tell us what constitutes *good* fanfiction. Or, pardon me, "Unlicensed Fiction." He really doesn't. You'd say "Oh, but we're supposed to get it from context -- good fanfiction is that which doesn't contain the elements he lists." No, if that were the case, then "good fanfiction" would consist of things that aren't badly written (in a purely technical sense and pardon me while I say, duh, and for this you get a byline?) and don't fall into a list of things that don't interest Steve Darlington. He honestly doesn't say what *does* make for good fiction, or why his, in particular, doesn't suck.

No, what really burns my ass (other than a flame about 2.5 feet high) is that he's cut off any credibility other writers might have in challenging his notions. Because "fanfiction authors take themselves too seriously." So no matter how intelligent and well-founded any argument might be, it simply makes this author look right. He can say "see what I mean? It's just fanfiction, and you're all delusional idiots who take this far too seriously." It gives him the ultimate license to spout any sort of crap he wants, which indeed anyone has, and have the last word every time because rebuttal merely proves his point.

I may have a more delusional intelligent rant on this later. Right now, it's late, and I want to crawl into bed. Alone. Which is undoubtedly why I write slash. Perhaps tomorrow I'll go through CG with a search and replace utility, change their names to Bob and Ray, sell it to Playboy, and use the money to buy myself some real sex. At least, I think that's what Steve Darlington is suggesting I do.

Sounds fun.

cicirossi

2002-01-21 11:22 pm (UTC) (Link)

Not only is your LJ not showing you your entry, it's listing you as posting in October. Very odd indeed.

squashed

2002-01-22 04:09 am (UTC) (Link)

That'll be why you can't see it in your own lj, Amy -- it's there, just back with the October 2001 posts. Does your pc perhaps have the wrong date on it? Lj picks up the date/time code from your pc.

mpoetess

2002-01-22 05:32 am (UTC) (Link)

Yup, that was it. Well, I assume that was it, because I'm checking from work. I'll have to check the date/time on teh new pc when I get home. I had to set up that function when I first turned it on, so I'm not sure why it's wrong now, but whatever!

faemovana

2002-01-22 06:50 am (UTC) (Link)

Perhaps tomorrow I'll go through CG with a search and replace utility, change their names to Bob and Ray, sell it to Playboy, and use the money to buy myself some real sex. At least, I think that's what Steve Darlington is suggesting I do.

LOL well at least you'll be enjoying yourself. And after reading that section of his 'article' all I can say is S. Darlington is a jerk. I think he's the first person I've ever read who seemed to suggest writing about the romance side of gay couples is worse than writing gay sex scenes..at least that's the way it sounded to me.

Hehehe maybe he's disappointed that he can't read any sex scene.

--ly Ballou Live at the...Oh, My GOD!

ex_verdandi713

2002-01-22 07:05 am (UTC) (Link)

Er, unless you want to appeal to that huge old-time-radio RPS market, don't change their names to Bob and Ray. ;-)

Re: --ly Ballou Live at the...Oh, My GOD!

mpoetess

2002-01-22 07:34 am (UTC) (Link)

Oh, I know who Bob and Ray are. I wasn't specifically thinking of them, though, true. Snerk.

I was actually using my standby, Bob and Steve (who are a pair of sweetly flamey identical twins I knew in high school, both of whom are, afaik, actually straight) -- then I realized the author's name was Steve, so had to grab another one. Naturally, I gravitated towards something that was already linked with "Bob" in my head!

Anonymous

2002-01-22 07:46 am (UTC) (Link)

You know what else pisses me off about this thing? He's against the use of *any* sex in fanfiction. Maybe I'm just completely off-base, but I can't remember the last time I saw any show that didn't have plotlines centering on a sexual relationship of *some* kind. Where are all the characters that are saving themselves in favor of a better plotline?

That, and where does he get off putting slash under the category of sexual "deviancy"? You know, I have more than a few gay friends that would heavily object to their lifestyle being termed as "deviant". Kind of makes me want to forward his article and email addy to some gay-rights activists and see what they think. Hmmm...

And you know what? I may be repeating myself at this point, but if slash writers *actually* starting writing porn, they'd probably have to open up a new category for it at the academy awards. "The award for best screenplay in a porn-movie goes to..." I mean, not all slash authors are that good, but some really are. I mean, to compare what we do to some guy who's sitting at a bar, scribbling, "Sexy maid is cleaning room. Room owner comes home. They go at it doggie-style. The end" is really insulting. Really.

I think the thing that pisses me off the most, is "...Then you'll get some money and can go out and perhaps have sex with a real person." This from a guy who writes fan fiction and edits an ezine on role-playing. Yep. I'm sure that this guy has the ladies lined up around the block. I just find it a little doubtful.

But, anyway. I could go and offer criticism on the world of sports writing. However, I don't write it, I don't read it, and don't particularly care for it. Therefore, I don't feel *qualified* to comment on it. There's a lesson in there for you somewhere, *Steve*.

Okay. Sorry. Still venting over here.

Mod

Fanfic

saturn_girl

2002-01-22 08:56 am (UTC) (Link)

You know what else pisses me off about this thing? He's against the use of *any* sex in fanfiction.

You mean there's actually fanfic out there that's not about sex?

When did that happen?

Anonymous

2002-01-22 04:35 pm (UTC) (Link)

In the author's defence (though his article pissed me off enough that I hate to defend him) I don't think he was actually meaning to say that gay was deviant. What I got was that gay that isn't gay on the show was deviant. By that definition, a romance between Willow and Tara or Will and whoever he happens to be dating now on Will and Grace wouldn't be deviant because they are gay on the show, but sticking Spike and Xander together would be because the show shows them as straight. Deviant from how the characters are on the actual show, I guess, rather than deviant lifestyle.

I could be wrong, but that's what I got from the article. Not going to go back and reread it because then I would be all pissed off and offended again. Even if I am right in my interpretation, he did a very poor job of picking words. Deviant has been used as a pejorative for gay or anything sexual that right wingers don't like for so long that of course it is going to offend people, even if he isn't meaning to say that gay is deviant.


- Persephone

cicirossi

2002-01-22 08:08 am (UTC) (Link)

It occurs to me that he needs to add to his list of sins. Failure to keep authorial arrogance and delusions of subject authority out of the article. Bless his little pointed head.

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Re: Sigh

mpoetess

2002-01-22 10:54 am (UTC) (Link)

http://www.geocities.com/Augusta/Green/3759/fiction.html

I really wanted it to be bad, so I could laugh at him. It's not bad, though.

His Buffy magnum opus is rather predictable -- I knew the main plot point from his intro and one and a half chapters -- skipped to the end to confirm it.

Spoilers, if you decide to read it -- ( if you're reading a notification e-mail, stop here)


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It's that old rumor/spoiler/wishful-thinking fanwank about Xander becoming a Watcher, when he has no training, no education, no *skill* with research. Ss far as I could tell from the one and a half chapters I skimmed, this is all predicated on Giles being allowed to choose his successor, something that sounds rather ridiculous for an organization as anal-retentive and Big-Brotherly as the COW.

That said, his dialogue is very true-to-character, and it wasn't difficult to read -- just uninteresting. Much like the Buffy novels have become, to me. Because aside from spinning of a new show (basically, Xander The Watcher), it was an episode. And as Ben said, if I want to see an episode that could be slotted into the actualy broadcast show, I'd watch one. I have many on tape.)

Re: Sigh

juanitadark

2003-03-03 03:25 pm (UTC) (Link)

Wtf?! This stuff is horrible. Sucked all the life out of the characters if you ask me - and I could only make myself skim. Geez!! I guess calling it an article does not legitimise a rant.

Nice try, but no cigar.

Re: Sigh

cicirossi

2002-01-22 09:44 pm (UTC) (Link)

I'd say it's pretty deadly. But my opinion may be colored by the irritation. Still, anyone who writes the kind of dreck published in Dragon about Dungeon crawling games has little to say to me about slash fanfiction ;-) At least that I will listen to.

Comments on Jerk - While Reading Article

Anonymous

2002-01-22 03:18 pm (UTC) (Link)


Firstly, do you think he has a thesaurus out, so he can look up intelligent sounding words ? Because, really, a good writer doesn't have to be *locucious* in order to get his point across. I keep feeling he has an insecurity complex; that and he's trying hard to convince us readers that he has something worthwile to say.

And while filling the page up with SAT words may work wonderfully in highschool (intimadating your overworked english teacher into giving you an A) it doesn't come off so well in RL.

Ok, so I'm onto point three, and I'm thinking; either this guy has no appreciation of the many styles within the art of writing - or he has extremely poor judgement in reading fiction. Which of course leads me to believe he's surrounded by beginner, or just plain bad writers; which makes me wonder if all of this isn't something someone said to him.

Cause really, I know Amy, Amy knows Me, Te,ShadowCat, JWalker...etc..etc...Granted it may be pompus of me to think of myself as a good writer (the way I think of them). But I still say I'm as readable. So...is this a case of the kettle calling the pot black ?

Ok, I've reached the point where he talks about sex...and you know what. This guy's an ass. And the only reason I'm reading his crap, is because I want to see what had Amy so upset. If not, *click* he'd be spiralling back into the vastness of cyberspace.

"Jesus can see what you are doing and you're going to Hell for it."

Jeez, how repressed is that ? Anal much ? Judgemental much ?

(tbc)
~Willow~

More: Comments on Jerk - While Reading Article

Anonymous

2002-01-22 03:19 pm (UTC) (Link)

Boy, doesn't someone like the sound of his voice *the thin line between delusional insanity and fan fiction writing is that delusionally insane people don't post their rantings on the internet**

Tut, tut - he thinks he's delusional. I don't blame him.


Ok, I'm skimming now...I don't think I can read the rest of this crap...even for the creator of CG.

**The truly scary thing about this crime, however, is that all the people who don't break this rule - the people who can identify characters and plots with a keen eye and match them with a skilled hand - these are the people who use their skills to write accurate, well-duplicated plotless cross-over mailman-fetish porn, hand (if you'll excuse the phrase) over fist. That's the devil's choice of fan fiction: do you want it well written, or do you want to not have to read about Superman and Lex Luthor having a butter orgy?**

EUREKA !

I get it now. He's jealous. He's jealous of the fact, that the majority of good fan fiction writers; write slash. Maybe he's jealous of the fact that he can't write a sex/love scene; that he doesn't have an eye for detail; that he *can't* see the chemistry that's practically floating in the air in neon purple to slashers.

Poor fool.

~Willow~


Man...

jainieg

2002-01-22 03:55 pm (UTC) (Link)

I just love it when inept people try to give others advice. Isn't it great? You don't know whether to smack 'em or pat 'em on their fool heads.

And I read part of that story - you're right, MP - characterization isn't half bad, but the story itself is as dry as firewood.

J

benaresq

2002-01-22 03:57 pm (UTC) (Link)

babe, I read part of his story. It managed to bore me even though the words were reasonably compentently strung together and Xandercentric. That takes some doing. (And it had a few ludicrous badficcish sentences that no wrter of genuine talent would *ever* perpetrate.) He wants to work for Lucasfilm? And *we're* delusional? *snigger*. Plus, you know. I *will* not rant again about slashophobics, I shall constrain myself, but so very textbook with the prison-rape 'jokes' (that had to be fetched from a long way off, practically dragged into the text) You have to feel sorry for him. And while I'm off on one: fanfic writers take themselves too seriously, but writers of "unlicensed fiction" don't? Er. Am I the only one spotting a problem with that? I've decided Stevie is funny. :)

he takes himself way too seriously...

Anonymous

2002-01-22 05:02 pm (UTC) (Link)

"tomorrow I'll go through CG with a search and replace utility, change their names to Bob and Ray, sell it to Playboy, and use the money to buy myself some real sex."

I don't think that would work out all that well sice I am pretty sure that Playboy with it's dedication to naked woman would totally freak at naked men. A better idea might be to finish the series, please please pretty please (begging now).

Seriously though, if he has really "cut off any credibility other writers might have in challenging his notions" then he has at the same time cut off his own credibility. He admits to being a fan fiction writer, therefor by his definition he must take himself too seriously. Creating the term "unlicensed fiction" just proves the point - he takes himself way too seriously. I think that most people would make the distinction by referring to writers who stick to the show's canon and those who don't - and most people wouldn't feel that the former are so much better than the latter.

We can't all stick to canon. There are what, a zillion or so pieces of fan fiction for BTVS floating around out there? If every one of those stories stuck to the canon and depicted the characters exactly as seen on the show, wouldn't it get pretty boring after a bit? I'd get tired of reading about the exact same characters over and over and over again, as wonderful as the characters are.

There are many wonderful stories that stick to the canon, but even more that don't. By changing the character just a bit to fit the authors needs or bringing in situations/settings that wouldn't normally occur in canon the writers of non-canon fiction manage to keep it interesting enough that I can read a thousand pieces of fan fic.

His moral seems to be that if it doesn't fit exactly with what we have seen on the show don't write it. My moral: screw the show, if it's an interesting story then write it.

- Persephone

Anonymous

2002-01-23 04:45 pm (UTC) (Link)

From Minitrog

I was gonna write a long piece about why this guy is a complete Wanker. But then I realised I didn't care if he got mangled in heavy machinery, and have much funkier things to do with my keyboard.

Love.

Trogx