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Uhhhh - (Buffy Season 8 Thought)
Updating my "Where my RP Xander's world took a left turn from canon" post led me to go, "Wait, what?" I'm not sure the thought hadn't niggled at me before, but apparently I let it slide until I actually had reason to poke myself (not dirty) about cause and effect.

Those of y'all who are current with BtVS Season 8 comics (actually, just up to the end of the first arc), riddle me this.

How the hell did the First Evil appear as Warren to Andrew in Season 7, if, according to Amy in the S8 comics, he didn't die when Willow flayed him?

It may have been discussed in fandom already; I haven't really been hunting down meta on the comics. Or there may have been a reference that explains it in the text itself that I missed.

wolfling

2008-01-08 03:32 pm (UTC) (Link)

I never even got to the Faith arc in the comics. There was something about the way he was telling the story that bugged me (felt more like an outline than a fleshed out story to me) and then he brought back one of my favourite characters -- and killed him for, as far as I can tell, mostly shock value. That's when I put my fingers in my ears and went "la, la, la, la, can't hear you (read you?)" about season 8.

The John Winchester comic wasn't any better for following established canon either and I stopped reading that one too because of it. (well that and the art sucked like a very large sucking thing)

*sigh* Considering the amount of time and money I used to put into comic collecting this was a very demoralizing attempt at sticking my toe back into the comics waters.

Edited at 2008-01-08 03:33 pm (UTC)

mpoetess

2008-01-08 03:43 pm (UTC) (Link)

*nod* I felt that the Ethan thing was a big WTF too. Oh no, the Evil Government Organization Who Think They're Justfied proved how serious they are by.... killing someone even most of the protagonists think of as a badguy, and the viewers/readers know is morally dark gray? Who was it even supposed to have an effect on, besides annoying his fans?

I mostly follow the comic for Xander, not to update myself on where "Real" Xander is (because the comics have not sold themselves to me as well-written enough to be the same story) but to keep track of official continuity* for FH purposes, and to enjoy the dialogue when it's good.

*I...meant to put quotes around that and then couldn't decide where they should go because with Joss, continuity always needs airquotes.

Edited at 2008-01-08 03:44 pm (UTC)

wolfling

2008-01-08 03:59 pm (UTC) (Link)

The whole Ethan thing was seriously one of a very few times that I literally threw a book (or comic) down in disgust.

If there was better Giles coverage/characterization/exposure I might have tried to keep going with it, but not so much.

And it's not like I expect good continuity in comics -- I collected X-Men for 13 years give or take -- but yeah Joss has his own special brand of it.

mpoetess

2008-01-08 04:04 pm (UTC) (Link)

And it's not like I expect good continuity in comics -- I collected X-Men for 13 years give or take -- but yeah Joss has his own special brand of it.

Hahahahaha.

Yes, ditto.

That's part of the problem with the jump, of course, to me. You can't take tv series continuity and try to apply superheroverse standards to it, and to me the comics lean in that direction. "Oh look, we'll be vague in the dialogue and throw a pretty splash picture up and people won't notice we just contradicted ourselves, or if they do, we'll mock them for caring about it, Spike: Shadowpuppets, we're looking at you."

b_church

2008-01-09 02:50 am (UTC) (Link)

Spike: Shadowpuppets, we're looking at you."

Heehee. *Shamefully admits to having enjoyed those jokes.*

narcolepticcat

2008-01-08 04:13 pm (UTC) (Link)

zomg. faith arc. druuls. itz so goodz. much better than the first arc. or the chain. tf.

mpoetess

2008-01-08 04:22 pm (UTC) (Link)

The Faith arc actually is pretty awesome (though I gots my Gilesvoice issues) on the Faith end. It's completely her, and I love her scenes from beginning to end.

On the "Let's us just reiterate how much life sucks for Buffy and how alienated she is forevah and evahhhh" front, though, it made me want to punch walls. "Will's been like a mom to me?" Seriously? Seriously, Dawn? Willow who threatened to unmake you, Willow who you had 'is she still evil' issues with all through season 7, that Willow? (Willow who's making comments about Dawn's breast size, too, because that's likely. I know she has Lesbian Tourettes and can't shut up about them, but a) hers are smaller, and b) ZOMGNO.)

a2zmom

2008-01-09 02:16 am (UTC) (Link)

I have to weigh in the "Willow's been like a mom to me."

I floved that line because it was so incredibly obvious to me that wasn't at all true (It's even more obvious in issue 10 that it's a lie) and Dawn says it for one reason. To hurt Buffy. And it totally does. Families are like that - we say the one thing guaranteed to hurt more than a bullet and even when it should be obvious BS to the wounded party, it just isn't. Because Buffy believes that she's been a shitty mom to Dawn.

mpoetess

2008-01-09 02:35 am (UTC) (Link)

Okay, I didn't pick up that it was Dawn deliberately trying to hurt her / make her feel guilty. In that context, I buy Dawn saying it. (Though I'm still on the "Please can the Buffy as alienated put-upon victim schtick die a painful offscreen death yesterday" train.)

a2zmom

2008-01-09 03:00 am (UTC) (Link)

As a mom, I totally cottoned to it. Because your kids will say the biggest lie in the universe just to be cruel and you will bleed like a stuck pig from it. It's just the way of things.

soundingsea

2008-01-09 12:52 am (UTC) (Link)

then he brought back one of my favourite characters -- and killed him for, as far as I can tell, mostly shock value. That's when I put my fingers in my ears and went "la, la, la, la, can't hear you (read you?)" about season 8.

Heh, yeah. That was "well, I'm done. What? You want these? Here you go, enjoy" time for me. WTF, Joss. No Ethan/Giles scene? Or Ethan & Giles, I'm not that picky? Sheesh.

The car issue in the SPN comics annoyed me (since Metallicar is my favorite character tied with Dean).

*waves to Mpoetess; the Warren thing is even more wtfery. Bleh.*