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Wolfling Dared Me To...


Well, she kinda.. no, okay not really but there was this thing where... she said, and then I said, but... um...


I buy Giles/Buffy.

Not now, mind you. But someday.

Running now.


Giles/Buffy

Anonymous

2002-04-01 06:17 pm (UTC) (Link)

YOU buy Giles/Buffy? Say it isn't so!
Noooooooooooooooooooo!
NONONO!!!

......was it something you read? And if so, can I read it?
Just wondering.

Later.
A

Re: Giles/Buffy

mpoetess

2002-04-01 06:29 pm (UTC) (Link)

No, nothing in particular I read. I buy it canonically. I think *Buffy* thinks of Giles as a father figure, but that's the last thing Giles wants to be thought of as, by her. It may not play *out* that way, but I think one legitimate interpretation for Giles leaving was that he didn't *want* her to think of him as the father she can always turn to -- and she's not ready to think of him as a lover. She might never be, and he would probably believe that.

I don't buy most B/G *fiction* because of the preponderance of superfluff and lack of exploration of their canon relationship -- but I do think Buffy/Giles could be an option for the series. For real. As an end.

So could Buffy/Xander, and it's one that I suspect is more likely, though my slash-lovin' heart would like to see Spike and Xander both unattached when the series ends.

cicirossi

2002-04-01 06:26 pm (UTC) (Link)

Blasphemer! *grin* Would it be somehow wrong of me to say that I read a story once that was S/X but had B/G and I bought it. In fact I *liked* it? And no, I can't remember the story, but.... well, there it is.

ex_verdandi713

2002-04-01 08:16 pm (UTC) (Link)

I've bought it since that final scene in "Helpless." Am I strange?

wolfling

2002-04-01 10:01 pm (UTC) (Link)

Nope... since that was the ep I was watching when the discussion came up that led to MP making the above declaration in the first place. :) Major angst and emotional intensity in that ep...

Re:

ex_verdandi713

2002-04-02 06:50 am (UTC) (Link)

I really did *try* to see the bit where he's sponging the cuts on her face as purely paternal...but the expression on his face didn't exactly encourage such pure thoughts. Ah, well.

mpoetess

2002-04-01 10:07 pm (UTC) (Link)

Well, yes, you're strange. But that's hardly the issue.

I see it in "The Witch" when he's carrying her and she's bespelled-ill. How sad am I?

Re:

ex_verdandi713

2002-04-02 06:49 am (UTC) (Link)

Oh, that was a nice scene too--but I assumed that by seeing it there I was just blue-skying. :-D

I am *not* strange. Am I?

witchwillow

2002-04-02 09:16 am (UTC) (Link)

I didn't see it...I felt it..

In that I couldn't tell you just *when* exactly B/G occured to me as a possibility...a true possibility and now a quick (slightly squicky, slightly incestuous sub genere)

But OMWF is my 'ward against evil' & I play it all the time.

This weekend, I bought it in Standing In The Way. Totally bought it: a shirt, undies, a stick on tattoo :)

It made me go over things in my head..season by season. First to hit (probably because I was thinking retroactively) was Giles killing Ben...
    You will never hurt the woman I love again!


Then I thought of when Giles met Riley for the first time.
    But .... I am important to her...aren't I ?


Then I jumped to the look on Giles' face when he learned Angel was alive, and Buffy had hidden it from him.
    there are no words to put here, to continue my formatting...thinking B/G in that scene is just too intense...


So, yeah...welcome to the club MP.

GAK!

Anonymous

2002-04-02 10:59 am (UTC) (Link)

It's the whole incestuous thing that squicks me. I know, coming from an A/S slasher who actually gets off on the whole vampfamily vibe, that's just too weird an excuse. But really. Buffy is always horrified when she thinks Giles is human, let alone male.

I just - no - I can't go there.

The only thing I can say positive about that ship, (ok, this is me, guess what character it's gonna be about *snerk*) is that it's one Buffyship even *Angel* may have been all right with. I mean, I could see him leaving in S3 much more peacefully if he thought B/G were an option. He sure as shit wouldn't have went after him like he did Riley. So, in a way, I guess I can see why it's acceptable...and Oh god. Stop me. I AM NOT READING B/G. No. just. no.

Peace

-D

Re: GAK!

mpoetess

2002-04-02 11:47 am (UTC) (Link)

Well, you'll note that I didn't say I bought B/G fiction. As a whole. Individual stories may, as always, attempt to convince me that it works for that particular case. Not that I read hetfic more than once in a blue moon.

The thing about B/G, canon-wise, is that it always seems to me that Buffy thinks of Giles in a fatherly way, or would like to, but he doesn't think of her in a daughterly way. He's too much of a gentleman to ever *act* on unfatherly feelings, which may well be a legitimate reason for wanting to separate himself from her.


Re: GAK! -- Part Deux

mpoetess

2002-04-02 11:47 am (UTC) (Link)

But I see much of Buffy's not seeing him as human-let-alone-a-man as "Oh, it's Giles. He's *old*" -- because Buffy is still sixteen in her head. Forget that two of her three longterm lovers were over a hundred years older than her, and than Giles. Giles *looks* old, and for Buffy, that makes all the difference. *Anyone* of her parents' generation would seem that way to her, not just someone in the pseudo-paternal role of Watcher, I think.

I think there *is* -- not incest squick, because I possess none, as long as it's between consenting adults -- but fear of Electra complex on Buffy's part. That is, I'd sooner see an adult, aware daughter enter enter a relationship with her genetic father, as long as procreation wasn't a problem (I have no squicks with Heinlein) than I would want to see a girl enter into a relationship with her father *figure* and have the dynamic feel unequal. Like she'll always be a child in his eyes, and she lets him do things for her, make decisions. etc.

But I don't think that would actually be a problem in a B/G relationship, because he *won't* -- he's adamant about that. He's done teaching her now. There's nothing left for him as a teacher. He can be a friend (which I wish they would have had him stay and try to do, if it were merely a plot choice and not about ASH's wanting to be in England) and/or a lover, but he feels he's finished being a mentor.

I think the only (Buffyverse) impediment to a B/G relationship is Buffy - her ever being able to think of him in that way. If he can *get* her to think of him as someone who has a life, who doesn't have all the answers, who has nothing more to teach her on an unequal level -- which is what he is canonically trying to do *now* -- then I think it's a possible plot avenue.

B/G?

minitrog

2002-04-03 11:27 am (UTC) (Link)

Hmmm... I can see it.

But only in exceptional circumstances. Perhaps borne of desperation and a moment of extremis.

I think their relationship is so strong, and so set in its structure, its certainties.

The only way I can see it is in "End of the World, everyone else is dead, Buffy and Giles take Mescaline" time. Then, maybe they'd shag. Other than that. Nah!

(oh, and Heinleins incest stuff doesn't squick me either, although I do think that it is very self-indulgent. His politics however - major squick factor there. Lucky he writes a good story...)