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Grr-arrgh. Buffy Season 6 eats my OTP...
Because I'm a spoiler-whore to begin with, I knew it was coming. But... arrgh.



Leoff, bless his strange little soul, and a few others, got a fucked up wildfeed today -- next week's ep, instead of tomorrow's. (Today's, for Canucks.) Not a delayed April Fool's gag -- he's completely serious.

http://www.leoffonline.com/wildfeed/archives/eps-buffy/b6-19.html

And... well, fuck.

Because we couldn't let Xander be even the *slightest* bit ambivalent about Spike, could we. Might destroy the rampaging anvils about Xander still having it bad for Buffy. Nor, of course, could we let Xander be even remotely non-assheaded about the whole thing. /me smacks Xander.

Granted, *everyone's* being assheaded. Spike did something *wrong* in sleeping with Anya? Buffy dumps him and says there'll never be anything between them, and Dawn gets to jump his case like he's been fucking around on her sister? /me smacks Dawn.

I actually have no reason to smack Anya at this point, which surprises me. /me hugs Anya. For being more or less... reasonable.

/me smacks Spike, /me smacks Spike, /me smacks Spike, /me smacks Spike, /me smacks Spike, /me smacks Spike, /me smacks Spike, /me smacks Spike, /me cries.

Well, not really, but fuck. Dammit. I knew this was coming and I'm *still* livid. It's not that the writing of the scene is bad, at all, from what I can tell. But could we have been a little less subtle? A little less ambiguous? On the jesus-I'm-not-allowed-to-love-him-anymore scale, this is pretty fucking clear. And nothing -- nothing do we get to see of him realizing he was wrong right then -- stopping on his own. No, she has to throw him across the room. Cut to Xander coming in and Buffy saying Spike tried to hurt her. We have to wait until ... just.. arrgh. /me smacks ME.

And his response is, of course, "Must be the chip, gotta get it out, then I'll want to kill her again." Which is actually in character, big denial reaction, but... arrrgh. Let's just pile on the "Spike is eeeeevil and can't overcome it." Because conflicted is just too fucking subtle. /me smacks ME.

See and the the thing that gets to me is, it taints everything I write that's set before/after/elsewhere. Does it *matter* that CG was started two years ago and he's taken a different path? I've still got a character who Joss thinks is capable of raping someone he *loves* passionately. And with Mr. "I foreshadow three seasons ahead, or at least pretend I have, though I can't keep character continuity straight from one episode to the next" in charge, I feel like it's me who's totally misinterpreted the characters, and everything I write with them is just sort of blasted to shreds. The serious fic is laughable and the silly, lovey-dovey fic is so impossibly AU as to be horrible, as bad as the worst OOC goo-fest written by names excised to protect the characterization-clueless.

*Note* -- Pointing out that I do recognize that it's not true, intellectually. I just feel like some of my best-beloved stories have been ripped apart, right now, and I'm going with the feeling. At some point, I think -hope- that I'll be able to look at CG and pretend this whole godforsaken angst-ridden fuck-up-all-the-characters season doesn't affect it. But right now, I'm pissed and annoyed and dejected.

I'm sure the evilistas (the "love him evil" people, not the "he deserves to be staked, let's discuss why Buffy is morally reprehensible for sleeping with him" people) are happy, since they would never be surprised at this. Fits with the character they've seen all along. Hell, I'm sure the people who've been preaching Spike's deserved demise at me will be overjoyed, since Spike apologists don't even have anything to say to this, except... gee, I wish ME hadn't done this.

/me smacks ME. /me smacks me. /me does not particuarly want to hear from people gloating that I should have listened to them all along about ye olde evil Spike. But the floor's open.

Oh yeah. And Tara dies. But we all knew that, right? I will cry over that next week.

gem225

2002-04-29 09:19 am (UTC) (Link)

Bad, *bad*, BAD people who do that show. *glare* You're right, they're wrong, and that's that. You go right ahead and smack them all you like and feel the way you need to. I love your stories, and I don't care what those idiots and morons who do the show do. Your Spike is a wonderfully believable Spike who's grown and changed and all in ways that make *sense*, and having him all evil is stupid and insane and LAZY of them. Fuckheads.

mpoetess

2002-04-29 09:48 am (UTC) (Link)

I don't know that he's *all* evil -- they've just been too schizophrenic and heavy-handed with his character this season, and the bottom line is that they're trying to tell us no one should ever *trust* him. Which blows a great many of my premises out of the water.

Though I agree with the fuckheads part. ;-)

I still hold out hope... - lasayla, 2002-04-29 10:23 am (UTC) (Expand)

poisoninjest

2002-04-29 10:13 am (UTC) (Link)

Read the wildfeed, 'cause I am helpless against my spoiler addiction. ::sigh::

I'm sorry, babe, but...

I love it.

Okay, I hate what's gonna happen to Tara. I'm gonna sob my fucking eyes out when that happens. I adore her.

But Spike.

Yes. Oh. Yes.

That's my boy.

kaytee4ever

2002-04-29 10:15 am (UTC) (Link)

Okay, I hate what's gonna happen to Tara. I'm gonna sob my fucking eyes out when that happens. I adore her.

*deeeep sigh* *depressed already* Yes..out of all the characters...over all the seasons..Tara is my absolute fav.

*stocking up on kleenex*

Think you might be on aim that night? think I'll need someone to cry with.

*sigh*

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benaresq

2002-04-29 11:18 am (UTC) (Link)

Um, I'd never argue that Spike has been written 100% consistently, but he's been a schmoopy evil mass-murderer ever since School Hard. If you don't buy a violent rapist who is also capable of being kind and concerned towards the woman he loves, you can't pin the blame on this season. I don't see a contradiction between babysitter!Spike and rapist!Spike myself-- he's intensely loyal and intensely possessive, rather like a mafioso. And his pathetic obsessiveness makes him violent and doormatlike by turns.

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benaresq

2002-04-29 11:08 am (UTC) (Link)

How is Xander being assheaded? I read the wildfeed (damn you for posting the link!) and for once I don't seem to see it. He's just concerned for Buffy, no? Or am I being dim and missing something important?

mpoetess

2002-04-29 02:21 pm (UTC) (Link)

Xander's assheadedness in the conversation about what went on between Spike/Anya, and lashing out at Buffy for sleeping with Spike. The "I was the one who always knew he was a killer who couldn't be trusted" bullshit. Right, it's okay for him to leave *Dawn* with Spike -- to expect Spike not only not to hurt her because of his chip, but to protect her from evil things that he could happily just sit back and watch kill her -- but Buffy sleping with him is another matter.

Not later on. I have no issues with Xander feeling murderous towards Spike, later on. I'd have issues with Xander killing him, mind you!

poisoninjest

2002-04-29 11:23 am (UTC) (Link)

I feel that inconsistency in Spike's character isn't so much a case of inconsistent writing as it is a case of Spike himself being inconsistent. The entire point of "Fool for Love" is that Spike changed everything about himself- clothes, demeanor, name, vocabulary, even accent- when he met Dru. And because the flashback cut straight from William the Bloody Awful Poet's turning to the mine shaft scene later that year, we could tell how deliberately he had crafted his persona. He's doing the exact same thing now for Buffy, but because we've seen it on a week-by-week basis, we notice less how much he's changed just since the beginning of season five. Those "inconsistencies" are simply Spike's behavior seesawing between the way he's behaved for the last century and the way he wants to behave now to please Buffy. Yes, he's good one second, ambivalent the next, semi-good, evil, snarky, polite to certain people and a jerk to others, mischievious, then dangerous, then nice again, lather, rinse, repeat. But only because Spike wants it that way.

Is his behavior in "Seeing Red" surprising? Not to me, perhaps, but I can see how it could be to others. Joss has done the same thing to his audience that Spike has to the Scooby Gang: invited the pretty vampire into our living rooms and made us trust him against our better judgment. Despite her protests to the contrary, Buffy does trust Spike. She never would have put Dawn in his care- as she has done several times- if she didn't. Ditto for the rest of the gang, even Xander, who could have staked him if he considered him a real threat. Spike blinked and pouted and everyone was duped, and now they have to come to terms with what Joss has tried to show us a million times with both Spike and Angel: at the end of the day, a vampire- souled or soulless, loving or unloving, redeemed or not- is a very dangerous creature.

Well over a year ago, I concluded an essay on F&F with the following:

"We should not fear Spike less on account of his current behavior- we should fear him more. Spike is not a harmless puppy. He's not even a caged tiger. He's a psychopath. He is hurt, he is angry, and he is very. very. hungry.

Lest you forget."

So, yeah, I feel I'm up for a swinging rendition of the "i-told-you-so" chorus. :o)

Laters,
~Jess

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akacat

2002-04-29 02:25 pm (UTC) (Link)

And Tara dies.

Funny, I was just thinking about that last night--before I read the spoilers.

There's a pattern here:

Ted's a robot.
Riley leaves.
Dru dumps Spike.
Angel leaves (although he's got a good excuse. "Gee honey, we can only stay together if you're miserable." "Gosh dear, I think I'll pass on that.")
Ms. Calender(sp?) is murdered.

Anyone else seeing it yet?

There are no stable, long term relationships in the Buffiverse. Willow and Tara were serious bucking the odds, something was going to be done about it.

That's what good fanfic is for--to fill in the gaps that the writers and producers insist on leaving.

mpoetess

2002-04-29 02:38 pm (UTC) (Link)

Yeah. I just wish they'd stop taking the gaos we've filled in and paving over them with things I *hate*.

A la the Spuffy. Would've been perfectly happy to go on with Spike being miserable and alone and torn between doing evil and having to come to the good guys for help -- because it *leaves* the gaps. Fill it in with the current storyline, and there's no room for interpretation with the character.

I'm going to sob when Tara dies -- but that, I find completely believable, and long expected. In it's way, satisfying.

Maybe it is the chip!

wordsmithslash

2002-04-29 03:30 pm (UTC) (Link)

I know this plot is probably more the product of Joss' crack habit than any real vamp physiology (?sp) but maybe the chip did make Spike react in a way that is inconsistant with his 'normal' behavior. If brain chemicals can do it for humans why not electronic impulses for vamps. D'Naila has a plot where massive anitbiotic in the blood of the donars enable Spike to be more in control of his demon. Why not have the chip starting to malfunction make him try to rape Buffy?

The thing is... CG can go on without Spike going evil because it is more character driven than the show. BtVS is an action/drama and while cute/sexy Spike is the perferred dining of Slash fans... well, as my old writing teach used to tell me, happy people make for bad stories. Buffy (the show) needs this angsty cliffhanger for ratings and sadly that is more important than being true to the characters. She (Buffy the character) never looked into why Spike was working the black market when Riley came to town (my guess is he wanted the money so that she could quite that scut job) she just jumped to conclusions. If Joss isn't on drugs and is plotting way ahead, the chip may be coming out so that they can realize that whatever is between them is real.

I'm sad about Tara too, but have to admit I was just relieved that it wasn't Xander.

And one more shot at the important things - CG should be your way of telling how it should be... that's the best part of fanfiction. Aside from the fact that I was waiting for your latest chapter in CG last May, the second most driving force behind my putting 'Reconstruction' to paper was how frustrated I was that Joss refused to see Xander the way I see him. So, basically I just painted the Xander I wanted to show Joss. Too bad he doesn't read slash.

WS

Re: Maybe it is the chip!

ktk

2002-04-30 02:02 am (UTC) (Link)

i hate to say it but i feel like i'm on my way to abandoning the show in favour of fic. it probably won't happen because i can't get rid of the niggling hope that somehow they will pull it all back to the quality we saw 3 seasons ago. however universes like those set up in 'reconstruction', 'cg', 'domestic pirana', and 'clockwork vampires' are more consistant, have more believable characterizations and character interaction, and are more concerned with an acurate timeline than the show has ever been.


Anonymous

2002-04-29 11:42 pm (UTC) (Link)

Granted, *everyone's* being assheaded. Spike did something *wrong* in sleeping with Anya? Buffy dumps him and says there'll never be anything between them, and Dawn gets to jump his case like he's been fucking around on her sister? /me smacks Dawn.

I'm inclined to give Dawn a little leeway here - she doesn't know the whole Buffy/Spike debacle, and even if she'd been told a tenth of the truth it'd be all 'poor-buffy' coloured.
Plus she's only 15 (or one and a half depending on your pov). What 15 year old truly understands a more 'adult' relationship?

/me smacks Spike, /me smacks Spike, /me smacks Spike, /me smacks Spike, /me smacks Spike, /me smacks Spike, /me smacks Spike, /me smacks Spike, /me cries.

Well, not really, but fuck. Dammit. I knew this was coming and I'm *still* livid. It's not that the writing of the scene is bad, at all, from what I can tell. But could we have been a little less subtle? A little less ambiguous? On the jesus-I'm-not-allowed-to-love-him-anymore scale, this is pretty fucking clear. And nothing -- nothing do we get to see of him realizing he was wrong right then -- stopping on his own. No, she has to throw him across the room. Cut to Xander coming in and Buffy saying Spike tried to hurt her. We have to wait until ... just.. arrgh. /me smacks ME.


Okay, I'm going to really cop it, but I strongly believe if Buffy hadn't given Spike the pain/physical violence = foreplay message right from the start, then he would have realised a hell of a lot sooner she really meant no.
C'mon, think about their first sexual encounter. She's punching the shit out of him, he's returning the favour to a much lesser degree, and she initiates everything they do.



My one question about this ep regarding Buffy is at any time did she tell Spike he was hurting her?

~~Leanne~~

mpoetess

2002-04-30 08:43 am (UTC) (Link)

It appears so, though the way she phrases it is "I'm hurt" -- where she's actually talking about her earlier injuries.

There's definitely a place where she's saying "Please don't do this," though, in a way that, were he acting sanely or responsibly, he'd get that she meant. I think I'm still going to have to *see* the ep, to figure out how I feel about it, but the second description I read sounds more like what I was expecting, and is more something I can handle.

See my next entry for a link to the spikefeed that has more detailed info.