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Mixed up vampires

TBQ and Keren both point out quite rightly that Angel(us) draws and paints; Spike wrote poetry when he was human. Having Angel write a poem to Spike or Spike sketching Angel lying naked in bed, doesn't work, and can make you look like, you haven't been watching the show(s).

Though I can see it working in a situation where the author makes it obvious that she's aware of that fact -- for instance, Angel making fun of William's bad poetry, and modern-day Spike challenging him to do better -- or Spike repaying Angel's gift of a naked painting of the two of them together, with stick-figure porn.

Not what I was going to say. What I was going to say was, Joss sort of buggered up his own canon, and confused the newbies, on the drawing!Spike issue. Spike's little shrine to Buffy in the basement of his crypt includes several sketches of her -- so unless they were ones that Angel did, and Spike managed to steal them from Buffy, or rescue them from the mansion/factory-ruins, Spike can at least sketch.

Note that I'm not suggesting people should run with this -- I'm more pointing out that Joss and co. can be just as guilty of muddying their own continuity. Granted, they're allowed, because it's their continuity, or lack thereof -- but it still makes me want to grab somebody and say "Look, we have a group of about 20 diehard fans with eyes, memories, critical thinking skills and in some cases postgraduate degrees. We'll work for free. Please? Please?


2002-06-06 04:10 pm (UTC) (Link)

The fact that it had sketches doesn't necessarily mean he knows how to draw. Esp because the times that we saw him stalking her he was always outside staring wistfully up at her window. If he'd gotten close enough to sit in her window and sketch like Angelus used to I think ME would have shown us.

But the key word there is "I" - that's just my interpretation. Someone could use the sketches to argue that he does draw and that's fine too. I just get bugged when I see people turning him into this full-on artist whenever he's got free time. Esp in stories written pre-"Crush". And esp in stories where in the same story Angel's the one writing poetry. Then I feel like I need to channel Lindsey -

"One has bleached blonde hair! Cockney accent! Scar over his left eyebrow. The other is ANGEL! Dark hair, mopey demeanor, habit of cutting people's body parts off! You tell me how they look alike!"



2002-06-06 04:44 pm (UTC) (Link)

No, I agree with you; there's all kinds of ways to make it work if it's explained (random: Angelus taught Spike to draw; it was something between the two of them, and he's hated Angel for leaving so much that he hasn't used those skills for a hundred years), but playing mix and match with character traits, without supporting them in the context of the story, is annying, and tends to make me question the maturity of the writer, because it has the faintest whiff of Mary-Sueing canon characters.

The Spike sketching thing just occurred to me as an instance where Joss may have muddied his own waters -- i.e. given a character a talent he's never been shown to have previously, just because he found it convenient or poignant.

I do think, though, that the simplest Occam's razor explanation for the sketches in Spike's shrine is that he did them himself. She's not sleeping in them; they appear to be done either from emory or from photgraphs. I would have to do more mental yoga to explain how he'd gotten hold of someone else's sketches of Buffy, than to just accept that he made them.


2002-06-06 04:46 pm (UTC) (Link)

ahem. memory. not emory.


2002-06-06 05:26 pm (UTC) (Link)

(cough) actually in one she kinda is sleeping. Not that I'm a huge geek with no life who studies these things or anything. (cough) ;)

Does she have season two hair?


2002-06-07 04:56 am (UTC) (Link)

Cause I'd rather believe Spike had filched Angel/us's old drawings along with the underwear, photographs, cardigan etc. It just makes more sense in my head.

Come to that, what did Buffy do with the S2 stalker portraits?

Re: Does she have season two hair?


2002-06-07 06:41 am (UTC) (Link)

I'd say it's Season 4/5 hair. Also, that at least 2 of the sketches were definitely donw by different people -- the one at far right, lower area, is nowhere near as skilled. Going to look at some Angel sketches in a sec, to see if the better ones seem to be by the same artist. Because I have no life.

And she's sleeping in one, but it's leaning forward against a desk or table.

Re: Does she have season two hair?


2002-06-07 02:52 pm (UTC) (Link)

Hard to tell b/c she's lying down and we're not seeing all of it. Could be anywhere from s2-s5


2002-06-07 06:55 am (UTC) (Link)

La la la. Yeah, she is (see below) but she's leaning forward on something. A desk or table. So could have been done in library or school or Magic Box or just about anywhere. (What the hell I'm arguing, I'm unsure. Haven't a clue whether the style looks like the artist they've used to do Angel's sketches.)